2 Oscars in a 40 gallon tank?

[Bderick67]

Btw, wanna enlighten me on what it means to be a "TROLL" since after being on various forums, probably more then most ppl, I've never been called one until now since all these "experts" know what they are talking about.

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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

 

[skiptomyzoo]

Fish dont double in size overnite to spite the Magical Growth Rate BS tossed at ya. Just keep an eye on there water quality,and when they get too big buy a bigger Aquarium. You will have atleast a year, Or More, to decide..I have tiny Oscars in a large tank i was told i need and am waiting for this monster to appear in a few months..Straight up BS by Ego Maniacs its why people stop coming to MFK

I wish I would have taken pics of mine with dates, as it jumped from 2-3 inches to ten in a few months....there is no magical growth rate I agree, as I also had some O's grow very slowly, but reguardless better safe than sorry. There is no way my fish would have been ok in a 40 for a year, plus you don't even know the original size of the fish he is looking at. Finally, after they did most thier growing (length wise), they also start putting on girth, just wait, and if that time doesn't come, than your doing something wrong.

It's quite nonsensical if you ask me. Who created these hard-and-fast rules for fishkeeping? Unless you can scientifically prove that keeping 2 Oscars in a 40-gallon tank - with proper husbandry - will stunt them, hurt them, or otherwise cause detriment to their health, I won't believe all this gospel. I've kept Oscars before, and two juveniles raised together invariably become buddies over time, so territory isn't an issue. Then it's down to husbandry. If the OP has adequate filtration and the responsibility to do regular water changes, why in hell not?

I cannot understand why people have to be so rigid and inflexible.

To the OP: Like I said in an earlier post - If it works for you, go for it.

Proper husbandry isn't a 40 gallon, so I think you proved your own point. Also temprement of each fish has a lot to do with things, otherwise your saying that I could shove any two like animals in the same tank/cage and they would get along. The reason territory wasn't an issue for yours, is most likely there wasn't enough of it to establish one. However, with both said, I am not going to disagree that there is a whole way of fish keeping devoted to doing just that. In those cases though, the tanks are large enough for the fish still to attain it's potential size in such, and when done properly the filteration is extreme to say the least and monitored carefully. That is advanced fish keeping, which is clearly what we are not looking at here, so I wouldn't recommend it, and hence will still stand next to my original suggestion.

 

[Toby_H]

It's quite nonsensical if you ask me. Who created these hard-and-fast rules for fishkeeping? Unless you can scientifically prove that keeping 2 Oscars in a 40-gallon tank - with proper husbandry - will stunt them, hurt them, or otherwise cause detriment to their health, I won't believe all this gospel. I've kept Oscars before, and two juveniles raised together invariably become buddies over time, so territory isn't an issue. Then it's down to husbandry. If the OP has adequate filtration and the responsibility to do regular water changes, why in hell not?

I cannot understand why people have to be so rigid and inflexible.

To the OP: Like I said in an earlier post - If it works for you, go for it.

You are the only person who was spoken of rules or used words like 'gospel'... so be honest and ask yourself who is being fanatical here...

There have been many members in this thread and several other's on similar topics share their real life experiences of two Oscars being raised together and not getting along as adults. So spouting off that they will invariably become buddies is simply spreading false information.

Then you conclude your 'logic' by saying it all boils down to husbandry. It has already been pointed out that your suggestion was to start off compromising husbandry (inadequate tank size), thus completing self defeat in your post.

But everyone says the people they do not agree with are the extremests. It's an easy way to discredit someone without actually giving credit to yourself.

I already described your exact attitude in this thread previously. You have an extremist view point and you insist that anyone who doesn't agree with you is an extremist... regardless of well rounded experiences being provided...


Thank you to those of you who complimented my earlier post. I've learned from making many mistakes, therefore I cannot criticize anyone for making their own. I'm glad that now I can share my experience from doing things several ways to hopefully allow someone else from screwing up as much as I did.

Good luck...

 

[HerCrenVie]

You are the only person who was spoken of rules or used words like 'gospel'... so be honest and ask yourself who is being fanatical here...

There have been many members in this thread and several other's on similar topics share their real life experiences of two Oscars being raised together and not getting along as adults. So spouting off that they will invariably become buddies is simply spreading false information.

Then you conclude your 'logic' by saying it all boils down to husbandry. It has already been pointed out that your suggestion was to start off compromising husbandry (inadequate tank size), thus completing self defeat in your post.



I already described your exact attitude in this thread previously. You have an extremist view point and you insist that anyone who doesn't agree with you is an extremist... regardless of well rounded experiences being provided...


Thank you to those of you who complimented my earlier post. I've learned from making many mistakes, therefore I cannot criticize anyone for making their own. I'm glad that now I can share my experience from doing things several ways to hopefully allow someone else from screwing up as much as I did.

Good luck...

By telling the OP a minimum tank size, you are already creating a rule. A guideline, if you will.

Once again, you say it is "inadequate". In what way is it inadequate? Has it been officially documented and proven that keeping 2 Oscars in a 40-gallon will stunt their growth or otherwise cause detriment to their well-being? Has anyone ever tried it and documented the results in a scientific journal? Mere words don't cut it. If you can show me a scientific document or even a simple experiment that covers and shows the lives of 2 Oscars in a 40-gallon from the time of acquisition to adulthood; and that shows any stunting or defect directly caused by tank size, then you win.

You have been pushing your point without establishing it. That is, that a 40-gallon tank is inadequate for 2 Oscars. Back to my question: has it been proven?

Also, I personally define the term "husbandry" as filtration and maintenance of the set-up, not the tank itself.

 

[FSM]

wheres the fire truck?

 

[dogofwar]

Believe me, I'm as tired of the "tank size" BS on these boards as the next guy, but a 40g tank just isn't big enough for two oscars for life. Or probably for the two fish past 6-7".

Go to any LFS that takes in trades and look at the proportion of oscars with bent backs, hole in the head, etc. Of course, all of these fish weren't kept in exactly the same conditions with tank size as the only variable, but 1) that they've been traded (probably given) back to the LFS says something and 2) many fish that have been kept in tanks under, say, 55g are in the worst shape. Of course, the LFS probably dumped them in a 20H...

Oscars are big fish. Give them some space. If you want an oscar-like fish for a 40g choose some of the many mid-sized new world cichlids.

By telling the OP a minimum tank size, you are already creating a rule. A guideline, if you will.

Once again, you say it is "inadequate". In what way is it inadequate? Has it been officially documented and proven that keeping 2 Oscars in a 40-gallon will stunt their growth or otherwise cause detriment to their well-being? Has anyone ever tried it and documented the results in a scientific journal? Mere words don't cut it. If you can show me a scientific document or even a simple experiment that covers and shows the lives of 2 Oscars in a 40-gallon from the time of acquisition to adulthood; and that shows any stunting or defect directly caused by tank size, then you win.

You have been pushing your point without establishing it. That is, that a 40-gallon tank is inadequate for 2 Oscars. Back to my question: has it been proven?

Also, I personally define the term "husbandry" as filtration and maintenance of the set-up, not the tank itself.

 

[ewurm]

OP: When you have no intention of taking advice, there really isn't any need to ask a question unless it is simply for the purposes of starting an argument with people who disagree with you.

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