2 Questions About African and SA Cichlids

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plmike

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i have about 20-25 african cichlids in my 35 (moving them to my 75 on friday) and i got a jack dempsey thats the same size as them can i put bothi nto the same tank if i make enough hiding spots?


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and is that jd a male or female?
 
yeah its a female dempsey, and its usually not recommended to keep rift lake cichlids with CA cichlids, since rift lakes need harder water and different dietary needs than a dempsey which needs somewhat softer water, also if you aren't doing anything to adjust the water hardness then that wouldnt be an issue, but the africans may gang up on the dempsey since there are so many of them, some people on here (including myself in the past) use some africans as clean-up crew in our cichlid tanks to eat up what the larger cichlids drop but for the most part it isnt advised to house them together

and if its only a 75g then all of those africans are going to need it to themselves...
 
Sarah88;4168204; said:
yeah its a female dempsey, and its usually not recommended to keep rift lake cichlids with CA cichlids, since rift lakes need harder water and different dietary needs than a dempsey which needs somewhat softer water, also if you aren't doing anything to adjust the water hardness then that wouldnt be an issue, but the africans may gang up on the dempsey since there are so many of them, some people on here (including myself in the past) use some africans as clean-up crew in our cichlid tanks to eat up what the larger cichlids drop but for the most part it isnt advised to house them together

and if its only a 75g then all of those africans are going to need it to themselves...
oh but like can i keep them together just until i trade a dude for some frontosas.... which is like a week
 
yeah probably, just keep an eye out for aggression and water parameters to make sure the water isnt getting dirty too quickly, and frontosas are def going to need a bigger tank btw (though they are slow growers)
 
Sarah88;4168204; said:
rift lakes need harder water and different dietary needs than a dempsey which needs somewhat softer water,

That JD, and a lot of other CA cichlids come from softer water then the rift lakes is total bull. In fact, some of the waters that JD come from would make lake malawi look soft in comparison. And pH is most often high 7 's to mid 8's. Limestone is the prevailing rock through out southern Mexico and Belize ---- through out most of the area that JD, sals and FM, for example, come from. You'd be hard pressed to find any bodies of water that are even remotely soft through out this area, though of course there are always the odd exceptions when your dealing with a large enough area.

The dietery differences, IMO, are largely exaggerrated. Rift lake cichlids vary just as much as CA cichlids in terms of what they eat in the wild. Mbuna that eat mainly aufwuchs, get a significant part of their nutrition from the small animals that live in it. And this is reflected by the fact that the vast majority of fish foods that are marketed towards rift lake cichlid keepers, such as NLS, still have animal as the main ingredeints, because it is the more nutritionaly significant. Many of the midas cichlid type fish make their living eating predominantly aufwuchs ------ do we stick them on a pedastil and think their dietary needs are so peculiar and so different then any other CA cichlid?
 
I've been watching my neighbors 55 with Mbunas and one JD for over a year now. The JD was put in the tank as a Juvi and when there were little Africans(number of, not size). They have been keeping a softer water parameter than I, for they have water filtration for the house that makes the water softer..... from past experience with my brothers JD, I have noticed that my neighbors Jack is somewhat passive and stressed. He's not getting bullied at all, but rarely does he come out to roam around... they can coexist, but i feel the Jack would be better suited in a different tank for the long run...
 
Sarah88;4168423; said:
yeah probably, just keep an eye out for aggression and water parameters to make sure the water isnt getting dirty too quickly, and frontosas are def going to need a bigger tank btw (though they are slow growers)
oh alright ill stick to yellow labs and peacocks for now im putting the africans with the jd today ill post if they attack each other or not
 
BC in SK;4169178; said:
That JD, and a lot of other CA cichlids come from softer water then the rift lakes is total bull. In fact, some of the waters that JD come from would make lake malawi look soft in comparison. And pH is most often high 7 's to mid 8's. Limestone is the prevailing rock through out southern Mexico and Belize ---- through out most of the area that JD, sals and FM, for example, come from. You'd be hard pressed to find any bodies of water that are even remotely soft through out this area, though of course there are always the odd exceptions when your dealing with a large enough area.

The dietery differences, IMO, are largely exaggerrated. Rift lake cichlids vary just as much as CA cichlids in terms of what they eat in the wild. Mbuna that eat mainly aufwuchs, get a significant part of their nutrition from the small animals that live in it. And this is reflected by the fact that the vast majority of fish foods that are marketed towards rift lake cichlid keepers, such as NLS, still have animal as the main ingredeints, because it is the more nutritionaly significant. Many of the midas cichlid type fish make their living eating predominantly aufwuchs ------ do we stick them on a pedastil and think their dietary needs are so peculiar and so different then any other CA cichlid?
but like i have floating pellets for the jd and sinking for the africans so im porbably gonna be good plus the sa food is too big to fit into the africans mouth
 
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