6 out of 7 in one thread

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Polypterus;1521834; said:
Croc gar type 1... they where really damn pretty when young.
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then what makes that the Atractosteus species ad not Lepisosteus??
 
Polypterus;1521846; said:
It is both man.....or are we talking about something else?
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The photo says Atractosteus sp. That is the only reason I assumed it was a hybrid between two within that species...

And I didn't go by the "2/3" rule with that other pic...she was just joking around.
 
demjor19;1521849; said:
The photo says Atractosteus sp. That is the only reason I assumed it was a hybrid between two within that species...

And I didn't go by the "2/3" rule with that other pic...she was just joking around.
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That pic has Atractosteus sp. as at the time we had no clue what the hell those fish where.. it is accurate as such to just say what the hell or Atractosteus sp.

This one actually came to me not by an LFS but by someone catching it. He held it for me as it was beyond strange to him and sent it.. Lots of unanswered questions there I cant answer but I received this fish under unusual circumstances. I really do not know if it was wild caught or just sent to me as such.. We now know the real story behind these fish and we know this fish was a bucket biology project.

Just as a fun fact Solomons Croc gar type 2 was obtained from the store I worked at for 4 years.. I actually saw the same fish and passed it up.. At the time I also was not working at the store but the wholesaler contacted me about these fish for an ID..I went and inspected close to 40 of them I never saw the type 2 in this batch but did recognize the same fish I received months earlier. About a month later I stopped in the store to say Hi to the employees I worked with that did not suck and noticed they had a tank of five of these fish one being different from the rest. I did not buy it but did plan on coming back for it.

Turns out Solomon was right on my heals and did recognize it...He bought it...
I actually returned the next day to buy that fish only to find it gone.

In a weird twist I've still become part of this fishes life...
 
Polypterus;1521823; said:
3 and 4 are Tristoechus

#6 is a true spotted. and this has been established due to where the fish was obtained.(Ironicly it was exotic) Morphologic characteristics are odd with this animal. This has been noted in others as well. This is a key reason why you see us advanced gar keepers warning against this so called 2/3 rule or ever using snout length, head length alone as an identification characteristic. It does not fit in all cases and in captivity it is very skewed.
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so im right!:grinno: which leaves #10...
 
Polypterus;1521948; said:
That pic has Atractosteus sp. as at the time we had no clue what the hell those fish where.. it is accurate as such to just say what the hell or Atractosteus sp.

This one actually came to me not by an LFS but by someone catching it. He held it for me as it was beyond strange to him and sent it.. Lots of unanswered questions there I cant answer but I received this fish under unusual circumstances. I really do not know if it was wild caught or just sent to me as such.. We now know the real story behind these fish and we know this fish was a bucket biology project.

Just as a fun fact Solomons Croc gar type 2 was obtained from the store I worked at for 4 years.. I actually saw the same fish and passed it up.. At the time I also was not working at the store but the wholesaler contacted me about these fish for an ID..I went and inspected close to 40 of them I never saw the type 2 in this batch but did recognize the same fish I received months earlier. About a month later I stopped in the store to say Hi to the employees I worked with that did not suck and noticed they had a tank of five of these fish one being different from the rest. I did not buy it but did plan on coming back for it.

Turns out Solomon was right on my heals and did recognize it...He bought it...
I actually returned the next day to buy that fish only to find it gone.

In a weird twist I've still become part of this fishes life...
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sooo...will these crock gars ever get an official (scientific name) or will they always remain croc 1 and croc 2?

i know where you are comming from...w/ going back to buy that fish and having someone else buy it before you...that has happened to me on several occasions. at least in your case it was solomon who bought it and not some idiot w/ a 55g trying to cram as many fish into it as he can. it ended up in good hands.
 
Polypterus;1521948; said:
That pic has Atractosteus sp. as at the time we had no clue what the hell those fish where.. it is accurate as such to just say what the hell or Atractosteus sp.

This one actually came to me not by an LFS but by someone catching it. He held it for me as it was beyond strange to him and sent it.. Lots of unanswered questions there I cant answer but I received this fish under unusual circumstances. I really do not know if it was wild caught or just sent to me as such.. We now know the real story behind these fish and we know this fish was a bucket biology project.

Just as a fun fact Solomons Croc gar type 2 was obtained from the store I worked at for 4 years.. I actually saw the same fish and passed it up.. At the time I also was not working at the store but the wholesaler contacted me about these fish for an ID..I went and inspected close to 40 of them I never saw the type 2 in this batch but did recognize the same fish I received months earlier. About a month later I stopped in the store to say Hi to the employees I worked with that did not suck and noticed they had a tank of five of these fish one being different from the rest. I did not buy it but did plan on coming back for it.

Turns out Solomon was right on my heals and did recognize it...He bought it...
I actually returned the next day to buy that fish only to find it gone.

In a weird twist I've still become part of this fishes life...
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And all this time I though you and Solomon were the ones that helped hybridize these two species...I couldnt imagine finding a type 2 at a fish store! Why is it that the type 2 seems more rare then the type 1?
 
sooo...will these crock gars ever get an official (scientific name) or will they always remain croc 1 and croc 2?
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Given new information that has come out in regards to the type 3 (A.spatula x L.osseus) there is a possible project in the works to formally describe and publish the relationships in both the type 1 and type 2. We will however likely keep the hybrid designations (per Primitivefish) for ease of use.

I couldnt imagine finding a type 2 at a fish store! Why is it that the type 2 seems more rare then the type 1?
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It is assumed they where never produced in any numbers and where from a later batch of these hybrids.
 
wow, great thread richard and all who contributed! i stepped away for just the evening/night and it really took off with some great responses too! also cool to take a retread through the back stories of some of those fishes. the croc II story is particularly entertaining...especially since we didn't know each other back then, but yeah, richard has definitely been an integral part with maintaining that fish over the years, especially last year when we basically had to set up a gar hospital for it!

nice job on the guesses everyone; very cool to see that variation in the shortys as well--
--solomon
 
E_americanus;1523595; said:
wow, great thread richard and all who contributed! i stepped away for just the evening/night and it really took off with some great responses too! also cool to take a retread through the back stories of some of those fishes. the croc II story is particularly entertaining...especially since we didn't know each other back then, but yeah, richard has definitely been an integral part with maintaining that fish over the years, especially last year when we basically had to set up a gar hospital for it!

nice job on the guesses everyone; very cool to see that variation in the shortys as well--
--solomon
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Do you happen to know what species each of the gar in picture 10 are just by looking at them?
 
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