7-8' male and x2 5-7' female varanus salvadorii

[Bsixxx]

this^

that pic you posted is from s&s exotics, and it's unsexed..

Yea i know bro, im talking with a bunch of people right now.
I was just curious if people could tell from a headshot, as some people can tell from what I have heard, to its accuracy that is a whole nother story.

Got any vent shots? Looking top view of the tail and of the actual vent area itself?

I left an email to a guy in Bali to see if he can spot some out, ill let you know price wise what you would be looking at for me to get them in.

Thanks Varanio, sounds awesome!
And no that is the only pictures the dealer has, and he/she is quite laggy at sending emails back and fourth...

I hope you rethink your aquisitions.

That male you're getting was mine. Do not think for one second he won't mess you up, if he gets the chance.

When we had this conversation, last year, I had hoped you learned you weren't ready for Crocs. You have no experiance, what so ever, with any large monitor.

The enclosure you're gonna put my 8' Croc is 16 x 8 x 8?? Really?

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

Here it comes
Bro who are you?
Are you the guy on fauna that is offering the "tame" adult male for 3500?
To be quite honest I have multiple enclosures. The enclosure that you mentioned was for a male yes, but only till summer, if you took the time to read you would have known that.



-Please guys I'd like to keep from getting flammed, and keep this thread from getting closed...

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

And i hope people refrain from flaming you. Dunno why as soon as someone wants to step up and attempt the dangerous guys everyone(including a 13 yo, cough cough gigas) whether or not they know really what they are talking about, want to discourage him. Wish him luck say its dangerous and step back

 

[Miguel]

I see nothing pointing to thread closure.

People are opinioned. I agree with the opinion that you are going into hitherto, to you, unchartered and dangerous waters.

If you post it, people are entitled to have their say.

 

[AndyG.]

I'm not flaming you. I know the only person, in the US, that currently has a 7' - 8' male Croc for sale...along with females and that male belonged to me.

I spoke to you, last year, when you tried convincing me to sell my male Croc to you and I refused. We got along quite well and we talked quite a bit, about Crocs.

Even if you weren't buying the Croc that was once mine, I'm still wondering why you're considering putting an 8' animal, into an 8' enclosure. Even for a few weeks...let alone months. You want a pissed off, 8' long Croc monitor...that's the easiest way to do it. When I had my guy, his grow out enclosure was 12' x 15' x 9'.

If you do end up getting these animals, you know I'll be more than happy to answer any questions, give advice and help any way I possibly can.

 

[coura]

I have near ZERO personal experience with croc monitors and just about any other big monitor but I do know a few things about making big lizards happy. You say you want to build them huge outdoor enclosures, well I have a alternative idea that may be more suitable for this species and may save you several headeggs. You seem to have available to you a fair amount of space which is great, however insted of building them a normal outdoor enclosure have you considered building a tropical green house with several enclosures inside it? Tropical green houses, even in a place like Florida have to be one of the most satisfying investiments a reptile lover can make in its life. I kept my own "greenhouse" once, very simple and have seen many both private and public, specially made for reptiles...specially for daytime rainforest lizards, I assure you, those were some of the happiest, healtiest, biggest and more prolific lizards you will find anywere in the world. Some of the basilisks Ive seen looked like wild males with huge crests. And now you can even find special glass that allows uv rays to pass true, all in all and specially for a species like this I think its better then a outdoor enclosure...unless of corse you live in a place that practily has the same temperature and pluviosity of this species natural habitat. It could mean some investiment but if you want to have the greatest odds of being sucessfull and even if you arent, to enjoy this animals like they lived in the wild, this is the best possible advice I can give you. Ive never seen a croc on greenhouse on person but seen many other diferent species and seeing that lizard on the branch of a 20 foot tree looking at you makes all effort worth wille. Plants of corse will grow everywere and in the end, once your habitat had time to mature, the result will be stunning

 

[Bsixxx]

I have near ZERO personal experience with croc monitors and just about any other big monitor but I do know a few things about making big lizards happy. You say you want to build them huge outdoor enclosures, well I have a alternative idea that may be more suitable for this species and may save you several headeggs. You seem to have available to you a fair amount of space which is great, however insted of building them a normal outdoor enclosure have you considered building a tropical green house with several enclosures inside it? Tropical green houses, even in a place like Florida have to be one of the most satisfying investiments a reptile lover can make in its life. I kept my own "greenhouse" once, very simple and have seen many both private and public, specially made for reptiles...specially for daytime rainforest lizards, I assure you, those were some of the happiest, healtiest, biggest and more prolific lizards you will find anywere in the world. Some of the basilisks Ive seen looked like wild males with huge crests. And now you can even find special glass that allows uv rays to pass true, all in all and specially for a species like this I think its better then a outdoor enclosure...unless of corse you live in a place that practily has the same temperature and pluviosity of this species natural habitat. It could mean some investiment but if you want to have the greatest odds of being sucessfull and even if you arent, to enjoy this animals like they lived in the wild, this is the best possible advice I can give you. Ive never seen a croc on greenhouse on person but seen many other diferent species and seeing that lizard on the branch of a 20 foot tree looking at you makes all effort worth wille. Plants of corse will grow everywere and in the end, once your habitat had time to mature, the result will be stunning

Sounds like a really good idea, but I wouldn't know how affective that would be to hold in heat. As my state isn't really that warm all the time...
I'll look into it more, but as of right now I have These two empty structures I have been working on for the past 6 months, both 18' long x 20x 12 tall, and have been making them insulated. I think I will stick to this route as they are easily expandable.

I'm not flaming you. I know the only person, in the US, that currently has a 7' - 8' male Croc for sale...along with females and that male belonged to me.

I spoke to you, last year, when you tried convincing me to sell my male Croc to you and I refused. We got along quite well and we talked quite a bit, about Crocs.

Even if you weren't buying the Croc that was once mine, I'm still wondering why you're considering putting an 8' animal, into an 8' enclosure. Even for a few weeks...let alone months. You want a pissed off, 8' long Croc monitor...that's the easiest way to do it. When I had my guy, his grow out enclosure was 12' x 15' x 9'.

If you do end up getting these animals, you know I'll be more than happy to answer any questions, give advice and help any way I possibly can.

I'm sorry but I have talked to a bunch of people over the years about crocs and other large species, please excuse me as I don't remember you...

12'x15x9' would deffinatly be better than my 16x8x8. But my enclosure would be easier to maintain and watch the animal. And I most likely will be going with wild animals, so I'd like to see and treat them for parasites.
During this time span till I move them in their summer/full time home I will give them little to no interaction. These enclosures are just to get them fat, understand their different behaviours and interactions. See the individual in each monitor. So I could finish the lifetime home built around the specific monitors wants. As all monitors have a different personality and attitude as most of us know.

Anyway i am glad I am getting feedback to this. I am a little scared myself, but know I can deal with these animals. Just like my reticulated python I won't handle these animals alone or even interact with them without a thick pane of acrylic between me and them without a friend or two besides me.

However I am greatful I have you guys here to talk to and get a little differnt opinion on matters, I will be sure to get pictures as soon as I can.
There full time enclosure is on an entirely different property than where I am now. So updates will be few and far between as work and school keep me pretty busy.

 

[coura]

If your state isnt that warm all the time how do you expect to keep your lizards outside in normal cages? Will you move them in and out every time temps drops? That would create a big load of stress, and they can be a pain to move. If you constructed a green house you could properly heat it all the time and in warm weather it would store heat by itself. If this thing works well in the Neatherlands I beleave it will work in most of the states. Of corse it indeed involves a great deal of reserch. I highly recomend you to visit zoological facilities that have similar structures. Bronx zoo its a good place to start.
Remenbar you can indeed go with normal cages and with modern heating/uv equipement your all set up but in that case you would simply need to keep your lizards indoors most of the year and perhaps allow them to go outdoors at will during the warmest periods. But expossing them to temps bellow 24c during nigth its a big no no, sunshine advantages arent worth your lizards getting cold.

 

[A. gigas]

And i hope people refrain from flaming you. Dunno why as soon as someone wants to step up and attempt the dangerous guys everyone(including a 13 yo, cough cough gigas) whether or not they know really what they are talking about, want to discourage him. Wish him luck say its dangerous and step back

actually, all i said was i hope he knows what he's getting into, and that's nowhere near flaming..

on the other hand, what you just said is blacklisting, which is also against the rules..

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

by agreeing with someone that was getting pretty close to flaming you by proxy where flaming.

blacklisting?? What do you mean?

Wasnt talking down to ya bro, just stating that as soon as someone pops a question about a big dangerous animal(hot, croc moniter, or caiman) it seems like everyone wants to jump them and tell them how they cant care for it.

 

[A. gigas]

by agreeing with someone that was getting pretty close to flaming you by proxy where flaming.

blacklisting?? What do you mean?

Wasnt talking down to ya bro, just stating that as soon as someone pops a question about a big dangerous animal(hot, croc moniter, or caiman) it seems like everyone wants to jump them and tell them how they cant care for it.

not really, just warning them that it will be a challenge and to be extremely careful