75 gallon question

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These fish are almost all suitable for maintaining and breeding in an unheated aquarium. their usual range is from 60 degrees to 77 degrees. These fish can tolerate temperatures between 46 and 86 degrees F. In their natural locations the temperature varies similarly and the fish need this natural variation seasonally to remain healthy. The winter temperatures of these fish in their natural ranges are can be 46 to 61 degrees. G. balzani populations do occur much deeper into to Brazil and they will need slightly warmer temperatures.

I have kept at least 5 species, and found if kept at tropical temps all year round, they become prone to disease and fungal infections. So I started putting Gymno gymnogenys “yerbalito” in my unheated basement in the winter. Temperatures would dip into low 50s and high 40s F. When they came out in spring they’d color up very brightly, and spawn almost immediately. – Duane Stuermer

During the summer these fish can tolerate water as high as 86 degrees without problems. The winter cooling period is not only normal but is needed. When kept year round at higher tropical temps like most keep heated tanks, they tend to get disease. They need a winter rest. In the unheated tank or basement they are treated to a winter break of 60 degrees for 2 or 3 months. This is a normal cycle for them and helps keep them healthy and also primes them for spawning."
ok, that was very helpful, but my concern still is "What would the absolute lowest temps Balzanii would benefit from without being harmed by it? The whole Northern-most distribution-part tossed a bit more doubt in there.....I have had a heater konk-out on me dead of winter and my tank dropped to 56F and I lost a stunning Blue Acara and a GT, but the rest were surprisingly "fine" for a short time
 
I've had balzani tolerate temps into the low 60'sF, but they did not do well in the low 50sF and high 40s that the other Gymnogeophagus easily handled in my unheated basement, and in my outdoor pond in spring and fall in Wisconsin.
 
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I've had balzani tolerate temps into the low 60'sF, but they did not do well in the low 50sF and high 40s that the other Gymnogeophagus easily handled in my unheated basement, and in my outdoor pond in spring and fall in Wisconsin.
so you think 54f-56f might be pushing it then. IDK how to drop it to 60's but keep it above 56F - heaters don't go that low.
 
56'F for too long an extended period for balzani could be pushing it, although, I wouldn't be surprised if they could handle a few days like that way.
I put all my Gymnos, Australoheros, and Uruguayan Crenicichla in the unheated pool in my basement last winter (2014/15) and the balzani didn't make it. But that pool had constant water temps in the low 50s, and high 40s for an extended period of about 3 months before finally rising slowly.
 
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I think I am going to go with a JD, and Convict. Do you think Tiger Barbs would mix well with them?

You mean you don't wan't to talk about what's the best water temperature for your balzani? :D

The JD and convict thing might work, depending on the individual fish, or go with a JD and a group of barbs?
 
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I went back and read some comments I hadn't noticed.
Most Gymnogeophagus are "not" considered tropical fish, they are from Uruguay and Argentina, southern countries in S America, where water can ice over in winter. The S American continent is large, and has many temperature zones, it is not all tropical.
Back To JDs. Although I agree some of the medium barbs might be good dither fish, below is a video of how JDs live in nature, and shows some of what they habitat with.
Note in the Youtube video, they are the dominant, if not only cichlid
When they share habitat with other cichlids, they seem to suffer the other cichlids presence, and end up looking torn up, and compared to the other populations of cichlids, almost edged out, like in the video below.
 
Duanes, are the other fish rhamdia quelen and the livebearers poecilia latipinna?
Nice video by the way.
 
There are plenty of nice fish that would work in a 75, so why get something that won't? Oscar is clearly too big. IMHO a JD or Green Terror would be a better choice if something "big" is desired.
 
I think I am going to go with a JD, and Convict. Do you think Tiger Barbs would mix well with them?

You coukd also consider honduran red points, cryptogeros sajica, nanolutes, or panamensis
 
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