Acceptance...

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Do You Accept It?

  • yes, i understand an accept it

    Votes: 77 74.0%
  • yes, but im not really clear on some parts

    Votes: 14 13.5%
  • no, it's a load of propaganist rubbish

    Votes: 11 10.6%
  • no, but i do not know as much as i think i should to form an accurate opinion

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    104
radioaktiv;2229512; said:
when you're asking about the formation of life, to avoid religion is near-impossible in such a predominately christian area (which i would go out on a limb and say most members are from the USA)

This would be true if the original question was "How do you believe life started". It wasn't, BigG asked about evolution. I am sure, and he can correct me if I am wrong, he meant as pertains to the adapt or die measure of evolution, not did we come from apes.
 
jbnebres;2229491; said:
I respectfully disagree. faith in god is a personal/individual belief. faith in science is what we rely upon when we have weather-related emergency evacuation or understanding the science involved with investment/financial disasters.

evolution is a proven theory.
evolutionists have faith in science
creationists have faith in a creator

a creature evolving from one species to another has not been proven, niether has the existence of a creator.

no matter the side of fence you stand on, you are basing a lot on faith...an intangible belief in what makes sense to you

im not taking either side, but to discredit one totally....you are only cheating yourself
 
radioaktiv;2229433; said:
i believe in "species advancement"

IMO it takes just as much of a leap of faith to believe in evolution as it does in a creator. Niether have been PROVEN.

faith in science, or faith in god, it is the same.


i dont think you understand science....... you come up with a theory and test it in the lab........ and others test it........the theory is corrected as new results become available.... there is no faith involved.

In the case of life on earth......... evolution is a theory and it is tested by the physical evidence that is uncovered........ since science only deals in the physical universe and physical facts, there is no other competing physical theory.........

If you want to propose a non scientific ( non physical) explanation for life on earth that is fine but please dont look to science to justify it........science can only deal with the physical not the metaphysical world.
 
rmorse;2228038; said:
The conversation would go a lot different, and end in the thread being closed,

exactly.

would you rather keep your personal belief personal (which quite honestly it is a very PERSONAL matter)
or voice it, get into an arguement, and get my dam thread closed?

if someone has nothing to say on the matter than "my religion says so" you aren't the type of person i wanted answering in this thread
if you're someone who says, "my religion says so, but also this, this and this, don't add up" you have every right to talk in this discussion

just as you say "evolution is 100% right" "and evolution is right, period." are horrible disrespectful answers, so is "god did it, period"

we either wipe eachother's arses (we can all believe whatever, everybody's right), stfu (self-explanitory), or act like adults (logical, polite debate), pick one.



sorry if im comming off as crass, i just read 4 pages of people pretending to know what i was aiming at for this thread....

and i haven't had any coffee
 
Passionate 4 pikes;2228672; said:
I do not accept it I think it is a bunch of lies and rubbish. there is no foundation for it. it is a great try to throw out religeon but is simply another epic fail idea.
i completely accept micro evolution (not macro) but the rest is just stupid.
give me one thing i cant prove against. and i might rethink my beliefs.
i may get banned but i cant stay out of threads like this:D


im sorry, and i don't mean to adress you personally but since you brought it up

as much as i, for lack of a better word, dismiss most creationist idiology, the acceptance of micro and not macro, or even that there's a difference between the two to be the biggest line of hogwash i've ever heard

that's like saying i believe "i can walk to the fridge, but that i can't walk to the grocery store"

"macro" IS "micro" just scaled up



one thing you can't prove against?
the propencity of dark peppered moths when the environment changed to inculde trees with darker bark
drug resistant bacteria
the hundreds of breeds of dogs
 
hamato_yoshii;2228687; said:
Here is my question, does the evolutionary theory have an explanation as to what started the process of evolution.


yes, limited resources, more animals born than the ecosyestem can sustain, and competition between individuals
 
johnptc;2229541; said:
i dont think you understand science....... you come up with a theory and test it in the lab........ and others test it........the theory is corrected as new results become available.... there is no faith involved.

In the case of life on earth......... evolution is a theory and it is tested by the physical evidence that is uncovered........ since science only deals in the physical universe and physical facts, there is no other competing physical theory.........

If you want to propose a non scientific ( non physical) explanation for life on earth that is fine but please dont look to science to justify it........science can only deal with the physical not the metaphysical world.

Here Here, If one scientist disagrees with another scientists findings or theory, he sets out to prove them wrong with physical and documented evidence to back him up. He doesn't just say Oh he's wrong because a believe.
 
"There is a chance that maybe we disagree on how to look at this but, simply because more people subscribe to something than others, is not good enough for me to believe in it."

True. But keep in mind, it's not just random people from society who subscribe to the notion of evolution, it is scientists, who we assume practice the scientific method, that are accepting evolution as a majority.

"This also is a matter of opinion, I can tell you first hand that when I was in college (recent grad) that I was taught things that were not factual and that were simply propoganda. I agree that fully that also took place in regards to our history and so on, I would argue though that it is still going, but it may just be on the other side of the table."

Congrats on graduating(same here-Spring08). Sadly, I am sure both sides have done their share of some sort of propaganda. Hopefully we can obtain objective resources for our future generations to understand and learn from.

"While this is a common view on how creationists argue there views, it is an incorrect one. I will concede that there is an area that is taken by faith, specifically the origin of our planet, and the origin of life, I also would assert that evolutionists take the same faith oriented approach to the same question. The origin of our planet, and life, is structured by evolutionists in a manner that fits what their worldview is. Anyway, creationist use lots of evidence to prove their views, in fact the same evidence that evolutionists use, fossil records, logic, laws of science, thermodynamics, and so on. So while sure since you cant see God, creationists would argue that the evidence of Him is right in front of us, just as an evolutionist could say, sure while I don't have proof of how the world began, or multiple celled organisms, the evidence of how it began is right in front of us."

I understand what you mean when "the origin of our planet, and life, is structured by evolutionists in a manner that fits what their worldview," but what about the majority of plain old scientists, not just "evolutionists" that also agree with evolution. to ignore them, as the voice of the scientific community, is again, ignoring data. What I often hear from intelligent design is "how can something be so complex not be designed by superior intelligence?" I think an example was "the eye", where it was viewed far too complex to simply evolve from simpler organisms. well here you go.

"Yeah, I see a difference here. I would assert again that just because lots of people think that it's a fact, that doesn't make it one. So, since evolution is unanimously regarded as true by scientists, to me that just make it the majority opinion, and not any more of a fact. Like I said before, it once was unchallenged that the Earth was flat, that didn't make it flat."

I see where you're coming from. But let me again implore you to consider hold them accountable as scientists, and not just anyone. Do you ask a random neighbor about nuclear physics? Do you refer to farmer or an economic adviser when it comes to the financial stability? These days, the world is a lot closer/smaller with the tools/technology that we have. Back when "the world was flat", no one had the tools, data, tech, or even the power of voice to stand up to the accepted beliefs.
 
radioaktiv;2229574; said:
then by your explanation, evolution has long been discredited


the theory of evolution continues to be modified by the physical evidence.

it is the only theory science has to offer for better or for worse.

if you can make a better theory based on physical evidence please do so.

if you accept a non physical theory you need to look no further than the Bible or come up with your own.

For now some people feel that there is not enough physical evidence to be sure of evolution.........then there are some people who will not accept a non physical answer.

The best answer is to enjoy your fish family and friends and have good discussions on mfk :):)
 
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