Adding soil to established tank with dolphin fish (mormyrid)

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Every soil will cause an ammonia spike. Think of it like adding poo of 30-40 fish in ur tank at once. Ur established filter that is already in the tank has only enough bacteria to handle the waste of the two fish that are already there. Growing bacteria to handle any new waste will take time of about 1-2 weeks. The organic matter and ferts that are in any soil will release ammonia in to the water the same way fish waste will. Adding an established filter other then the one thats in the tank already will provide additional number of bacteria instantly capable to handle the new release of ammonia. If u don't want to keep the gravel then remove all of it, but cap the dirt with sand. Leaving the soil on top will make ur water dirty and cloudy like a puddle by the road. Even u put the soil on top of the gravel in time it will fall through the gaps in the gravel and settle under it only it will be longer, messier and more frustrating. U will have to remove the fish for one day minimum if u do it with an extra filter to avoid the initial ammonia spike. If they're very sensitive I'd recommend longer. Get a water test kit and test ammonia and nitrate/nitrite levels before u add the fish back to make sure it's safe. Check the pH too and acclimate them by mixing the water gradually before u add them back if the difference is too big. There is no easy and instant way of doing this. Any shortcuts could end up in a disaster, either leaving ur tank cloudy and dirty or in worst case killing ur fish.


Thank you for explaining this out thoroughly, this actually really really helped me wrap my brain around this and actually get it. It makes absolute sense that a soil that's full of nutrients is essentially fertilizer, which is poop. Not necessarily that this is poop, but if it's mimicking it then of course it could potentially mimic the other things poop does. I'm sure this is probably an obvious thing most get, but it just clicked for me. You have to understand I am very meticulous and a bit of a perfectionist with fish and take pride in being good at it. I've been told time and time again that I need to get into saltwater and coral due to how I am. HOWEVER, I can't even keep houseplants alive. Not even those "money tree." I think one time I may have overwatered lucky bamboo, which is impossible to do. I just "love" too much and have had a black thumb always, hence me coming here for advice. I hate taking advice blindly and just doing what others tell me so to actually get the reasoning behind something just helped tremendously.

I just spoke to my plant guy/co-worker about this, particularly this part and he told me he's kept his sensitive fish and shrimp with this stuff without an issue but wholeheartedly agreed with you that ADA soil is like what you're explaining. He told me that he grabbed Mr. Aqua over ADA for me based on the plants I'm planning to keep and I wouldn't require such an overly rich soil to maintain them. He told me that because of this particular soil not being SO rich, it wouldn't cause nearly as much of an ammonia spike as the ADA would which makes sense because ADA tells you to cycle for quite some time, while Mr. Aqua says it's safe to add fish after 12 hours.

Here comes the tricky part then:
Since this particular soil isn't as extreme, I think it wouldn't be too unreasonable to add to the established tank without it being as risky as other choices. The question is do I keep the morymrid/elephant nose in the tank and closely monitor it, or do I follow the instructions and remove them for 12 hours. I assume that the tank will require my sponge filter to stay with it so I would likely just keep the fish in a temporary hospital like tank until then. Would it suffice to keep them in said hospital tank with the heater and an airstone or should I pull out one of my cheap power filters I haven't been using. I'm assuming it'd be fine since people ship fish in worse and I'd still be supplying oxygen to them with the airstone. I just have to be creative with what I use for the hospital tank, but I have a bowfront 37 tall just laying around but my power filter won't fit unless I fill it completely up.

I think waiting the 12 hrs like instructions advise + daily w/c with close monitoring would probably be ok then.

Do not leave soil uncapped did it once big mistake

I'm assuming uncapped means to leave this soil on top exposed. I want to avoid keeping the gravel on the surface because I did not have the intention of keeping the mormyrid with this substrate for much longer than a week. They need soft muddy bottoms or sand so they can nose around looking for worms. Gravel can be a bit rough for their delicate faces so I planned to add the soil where I want my HG runner and other plants and then adding some soft sand where I planned to keep it unplanted. I wanted to keep the gravel on bottom because obviously I don't want the morymrid dealing with it and wanted to add the soil over it so the excess waste in the gravel could supply extra nutrients and mimic a natural layer of sediment like it would in mother nature. I've seen this soil at work exposed or with no other layers at all and it's not quite as messy as some of the soils I've seen, but I could be totally wrong.

What are the pros and cons of having a soil capped so I could have an understanding of it's purposes
 
I recommend following what the label says, and even more then 12 hours. The best way is to test the water params before putting the fish back in the tank. If there are traces of ammonia do not add them back! Bucket/hospital tank with an airstone will be more then enough u don't need a filter, just don't feed them the day before and during their stay in the temporary/holding tank. Make sure the temperature is stable so u might need to put the heater too, since it's winter.

Yes, uncapped means to leave the soil on top exposed, u don't have to put gravel on top, u can put sand on top and leave the gravel under the soil or remove it all. If u leave the soil on top every time ur elephant nose digs in it for food it will kick up clouds of dirt and the dust will make the light harder to penetrate and reach ur plants, it can settle down on plant leaves making them unable to absorb the light that does get through and the water will look dirty and cloudy with lots of particles floating in it all the time.

Since u will need to upgrade to a bigger tank once the elephant nose get bigger, u could wait until then to put soil in the new tank, cycle it properly and then move the fish in, or move the fish in the new tank and the put the soil in the 36 bowfront without fish.
 
So I went ahead and removed the two dolphin and the snails. Stuck them in a 5g bucket with an airstone, heater and made a simple rock cave and dropped in the substrate. I had them in the bucket for a little less than 24 hrs (mostly because we planted it after we got home.) We kept the gravel underneath the soil and then put sand on the other side to give the dolphin some sand to dig around in + a place to add our airstone without it getting muddy all the time. Did a small w/c to be on the safe side (though the ammonia level was very mild if at all) then dripped the fish for 2 hours to adjust them to the new water chemistry. The fish love their new home and everyone is still alive. even the snails seem to enjoy it. Posting a photo now. It's not the best photo and we still need to clean all the sand that got pushed around when the airstone was re-added then make a few minor changes to make it flow nicer and I think it's a start.

Also the soil has not been messy besides when it initially went into the tank. Excuse the sand though, it was a wreck at first.
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Looking good so far... hopefully it'll all work out well, then you'll just need to keep up with the weekly / bi-weekly plant trimming...
 
trimming once a week or biweekly? really? I've never heard of it being that high maintenance. I do plan to trim up the hairgrass once it starts to spread out. here's some more photos

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as you can see the nuzzling isn't stirring up any clouding
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full shot, java moss is still tied up to attach to driftwood

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^ I guess it depends how much you take off each time... if you take off large amounts rather than smaller amounts, you can probably get away without trimming for longer, also the type of plants etc make a big difference too :)
 
trimming once a week or biweekly? really? I've never heard of it being that high maintenance. I do plan to trim up the hairgrass once it starts to spread out. here's some more photos

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happy dolphin
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as you can see the nuzzling isn't stirring up any clouding
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full shot, java moss is still tied up to attach to driftwood
I can't beleive your dolphin is out and about, most say that theirs are inactive
 
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