Advice on my new Cat
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No need for apologies, I really appreciate the help and advice. It's still knowledge I gained and I appreciate it. Like Viktor said though I wonder how it helps in treating or counteracting Ammonia poisoning. Thanks again for the help.Sorry
thebiggerthebetter is right. Clean water and patience does wonders.
MB have used for ammonia poisoning with fish like this. I assume this occurred. Once again I assumed it requires high oxygen in the water and being sensitive.
Look forward to seeing it get better and swimming around. See what wes says.
Just got a text from Wes, since Viktor and you both asked what he said I figured I'd save it for the end of the post.
Thanks again Viktor, it was my supposition as well. How ever I was worried since you never know how people may interpret things so I just wanted to clarify for anybody else reading.No problem guys and again I only offered my thoughts based on the most likely supposition (knowing that Wes surely had done all he could) that it must be the stress of shipping that got to the fish.
I don't think anyone can cast a shadow on WesHe is a celebrity and a pioneer of our hobby. I think being pro-active from the start is very important in cases like that, including getting the vendor's input asap. Is all. Just preferences, I guess.
Again, in my ignorance, IDK what Methylene Blue does, that is, how it helps with the aftermath of ammonia poisoning. I need to read up on that. Thanks again, fellas.
I also agree with being proactive. It's much better to get ahead of a problem then to wait till it spirals out of your control. It's why I contacted Wes I believe it was an hour after observing. However I was poor in my explanation to Wes, I was still worried and it was too late in the day IMO to text him which is why this thread was created later.
Wes contacted me again just a little while ago to check up on the cat. After explaining the situation better, which includes that the Nodosus is now hovering at the surface in one place facing the rear of the tank with the same slow but large tail movements with it's head slightly angled up toward the surface and facing the back of my tank; he assured me it was normal. Wes also stated he adjusted the flow in his tank several times in order to get them to swim. I asked if it was a normal stressed reaction or normal for them in general. To which he's yet to respond. Still a little confused and curious about their weird swimming pattern but I feel a little better with Wes reassurance since he stated they where eating well before he shipped the Nododsus.
Ultimately time and observation will tell the tale and hopefully I wind up having a long lived and interesting addition. I will update you guys as things progress. Thanks again everyone for your help, it is very appreciated.
It is funny as I said it was very much like when that pair of Pearsei come in for me from another vendor. It was definitely the cold that got them and like you I saw the similarity with this situation.
I think it should've been indoors most of the time. Since I have issues with deliveries in my neighborhood, they love to not come and say we're not home; I always pick up at a hold facility. That being said I imagine it should only be outside during transport to the vehicles; most of the time being in the sort facility. I also forgot to mention I got two fish from Wes that day. A Crenichla Multispinosa being the other and she came in great. Lively, responsive and strong.
Thanks justarn, for the compliment and advice.
It was my understanding that MB has the ability to reverse the effects ammonia/nitrite by reversing methemoglobin back to hemoglobin which in turn will restore the oxygen carrying capability of the blood. It has something to do with its ability to restore iron ...Sorry guys had to geek out for a second.
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Thanks a lot for the info Wailua Boy! Can I ask what thread this was taken from. I'm sure it would make for interesting and educational reading.
No thread I can recall just paraphrased from top of head. In fact and currently MB is even used intravenously in humans to treat a few disorders and there is quite a bit info out there.
Good stuff! Really interesting, I'm going to have to look into it more. Thanks a lot for the info.
I don't get the looks of post #24, it's confusing. It's like I am quoted but I never said that IIRC.
But anyway, nitrite part I understand - MB must act as a mild reducing agent, which reduces the mild oxidant, that is, the nitrite bound iron, which eventually causes the release of the bound nitrogen and restoration of the oxygen-carrying capacity.
However, it was the ammonia that was mentioned, so that I didn't get. Plus, ammonia and nitrite cannot be lumped together here as their biological toxicity mechanisms differ drastically.
Like any medicine to any living being, MB is a poison to the fish, so it is used when the benefit outweighs the harm.
In fact it's been noted from ancient times, if a substance cannot be a poison, it cannot be a medicine.
Again, my $0.02
But anyway, nitrite part I understand - MB must act as a mild reducing agent, which reduces the mild oxidant, that is, the nitrite bound iron, which eventually causes the release of the bound nitrogen and restoration of the oxygen-carrying capacity.
However, it was the ammonia that was mentioned, so that I didn't get. Plus, ammonia and nitrite cannot be lumped together here as their biological toxicity mechanisms differ drastically.
Like any medicine to any living being, MB is a poison to the fish, so it is used when the benefit outweighs the harm.
In fact it's been noted from ancient times, if a substance cannot be a poison, it cannot be a medicine.
Again, my $0.02
Fixed it for you guys.
Again more great info. this thread is actually becoming quite informative in many ways. Thanks guys.
