Alert: Potamotrygonidae under consideration for CITES listing.

[nitrofish1]

This would not put commercial breeders out of business, but would make breeding rays for average hobbyist illegal I beleive. USFW has been talking about this for last two years with little done to date. In my case I would have to register as CITIES regulated facility, and all rays would have to be chipped and sold with certificate to customers. It would raise price for sure of rays due to chip and certificate fee USWF would charge.

 

[TheRealMacDaddy]

Just received this from PIJAC:

1. Species the United States is likely to submit for consideration:
Red and Pink coral (Corallium spp.) for inclusion in Appendix II
Bobcat (Lynx rufus) for removal from Appendix II.

2. Species for which the United States is “undecided” for inclusion in Appendix I or II pending receipt of additional information and consultations:

Nautilids (Allonautilus Spp.) for inclusion in II
Freshwater sawfish (Pristis microdon) for transfer from II to I
Spiny dogfish (Squalus acanthias) for inclusion in II
Devil and Manta rays (Mobulidae) for inclusion in II
Freshwater stingrays (Potamotrygonidae) for inclusion in II
American eel (Anguilla rostrata) for inclusion in II
Common snapping turtle (Chelydra serpentine) for inclusion in III (This involves a unilateral decision by the US since it involves inclusion in III) Spotted turtle (Clemmys guttata) for inclusion in II



An inclusion in CITES appendix II means that the trade of the species in question will be restricted to avoid over-utilization.

Why would the U.S. request a non-U.S. native species be put on CITES II?

I can understand Brazil or Peru or Columbia or any on the areas where Potamotrygonidae are indiginous requesting restriction of trade. But for the U.S. to "request" these fish be restricted is infringing on the soverenty of another country.

I don't know just doesn't smell right. All the other animals on that proposed list are U.S. species that are in-fact endangered to some extent.

 

[ewurm]

Appendices I and II
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• Appendix I includes species threatened with extinction. Trade in specimens of these species is permitted only in exceptional circumstances.
• Appendix II includes species not necessarily threatened with extinction, but in which trade must be controlled in order to avoid utilization incompatible with their survival. The Conference of the Parties (CoP), which is the supreme decision-making body of the Convention and comprises all its member States, has agreed in Resolution Conf. 9.24 (Rev. CoP14) on a set of biological and trade criteria to help determine whether a species should be included in Appendices I or II. At each regular meeting of the CoP, Parties submit proposals based on those criteria to amend these two Appendices. Those amendment proposals are discussed and then submitted to a vote. The Convention also allows for amendments by a postal procedure between meetings of the CoP (see Article XV, paragraph 2, of the Convention), but this procedure is rarely used.
  

 

[Nic]

This would not put commercial breeders out of business, but would make breeding rays for average hobbyist illegal I beleive. USFW has been talking about this for last two years with little done to date. In my case I would have to register as CITIES regulated facility, and all rays would have to be chipped and sold with certificate to customers. It would raise price for sure of rays due to chip and certificate fee USWF would charge.

and the increase of cost would take rays away from the people who should not keep them... i see some positives from it actually...

 

[ShadowStryder]

And who is to determine who can and can't keep them. Just because someone
doesn't have a lot of cash, but can provide a large pond and the means to
provide them the food they need doesn't mean they should not have access to them.
You don't have to have a large fancy tank (as we all know) or cash falling out of
your arse to give them a good home.
I understand that it is just a large generalization or catergory that lumps all non
commercial breeders, but it is a crock to not allow individuals who provide good
husbandry and adequate space.

 

[jwong1024]

this not good news at all. the price for rays are expensive as it is. prices would go up and less and less people would be in the hobby. I better start hoarding now!!!!

 

[jwong1024]

and the increase of cost would take rays away from the people who should not keep them... i see some positives from it actually...

I agreed to a point.......can't believe I just said that.

 

[nitrofish1]

I agreed to a point.......can't believe I just said that.

id hate to see a leo cost 5 thousand or such. usually ppl who dont take good care dont buy leos or motoro, mostly retics....

 

[BlackShark11k]

Damn. That would suck if it gets passed.

 

[cichlaguapote]

and the increase of cost would take rays away from the people who should not keep them... i see some positives from it actually...

It's a little judgemental to say people shouldn't be allowed to keep a certain fish based on your opinion, or that raising a price will "keep them from the bad people's hands". Why are the people who have more money better suited? Did the poor people kill one and the rich don't? Who here hasn't killed a fish?

At some point we have to stop the elitest crap. Trying to add morals in a hobby that really doesn't have many. It gets old. You've killed fish. I've killed fish. So it's a little hippocrytical to say what you said thinking higher prices will keep them out of the hands of people that "shouldn't have them".

It's a hobby. It's a fish. We all know there are bad keepers of every type of fish. For the most part they are in the lower percentage. But this could and would affect a crapload of people who love rays and take good care of them when they get them.