If you believe the scientific data that has been made available to the public is the truth...I have a bridge for sale, you interested?
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An idea i wanted to share w/ MFK
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If you believe the scientific data that has been made available to the public is the truth...I have a bridge for sale, you interested?
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You'd rather believe a whacko Erin Brokavich wannabe who profits off peoples hatred of government? Keep believing those conspiracy theories and I will go on living life unaffected by all these hypothetical problems while you bury your guns and sign pointless petitions
I am a scientist. I find a series of peer removed documents to be more reliable that pseudo scientific, agenda confirming spin. If you're actually buying that partisan, pseudo scientific nonsense, I have a river I'm willing to sell that will look wonderful with your bridge.
And that is where I will leave this discussion because if I go any further I will be taking more then one infraction.
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If you have a point to make, go ahead and make it. I don't issue infractions to members for arguing a point that is counter to my own. I will, however, beat you about the head and shoulders with science if you're talking nonsense. I am also more than happy to return an implication of naivete when one is leveled at me under those circumstances. Turnabout is fair play, after all.
The bad thing about fracking is the wastewater, it should be more tightly regulated and shouldnt permeate the local ecosystems like it has in some cases, and theres docuemented proof of that. I think everyone here agrees the worlds better off without fossil fuels, i feel like especially in the "developing world" like south america, regulations will more then likely be less enforced then they are here. Rob, you cant deny the proof of tons of videos of people lighting their faucet water on fire, and the only reason is that a fracking well was active nearby. Also fish die offs are common near fracking wells. If they could frack w/o it messing with the surrounding envrioment then go ahead, but if it kills off everything like it has in some cases then it needs to stop or be fixed. If there was a mandatory distance that they could be from water sources this wouldnt be an issue
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I can indeed deny the 'proof' of the faucets being lighted on fire. That phenomenon is well documented to out date the beginning of the wide spread use of fracking. Again, correlation doesn't imply causation. The areas with the highest concentrations of natural gas also happen to be the areas in which fracturing is most likely to take place. These are also the places where natural gas wells are the most likely to be used.
In fact, the highest concentrations of natural gas were found in the homes with said natural gas wells (Jackson et al., 2012). These homes were found to be the ones with the extraordinarily high level of gas found in their water. Interestingly, these results had no relation to fracturing.
Don't buy the spin, guys. We can all agree that hydrocarbon fuels are less than desirable, but the level of spin being placed on this fracking issue is absolutely rediculous!
Jackson, R., Vengosha, A., Darraha, T., Warnera N., Downa, A., Poredac, R., Osbornd, S., Zhaoa, K., and Karra, J. (2012). Increased stray gas abundance in a subset of drinking water wells near Marcellus shale gas extraction. Proceedings of the Natural Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 110 (28): 11250–11255.
What about when it only happens after the well is active? Or it worsens because of the active well? The side fissures do fill w/ wastewater permeating nearby water supplys, i dont think its too much to ask for, for them to be X distance away from homes and water supplys/natural water bodies. I dont get why so many homeowners would speak out against it who live near it if it doesnt cause harm. Fracking is not a precise science yet and ive read up on oth sides of the issue plenty. And you also need to take into account rob, there are going to be a lot of people trying to put the "harmless" spin on it. Also, like every industry in the history of mankind people will disregard regulation to make more profit. Youll be on my side once ATF start being effected haha
Just to make it clear rob, I do see the good in fracking but the bad outwieghs it, like I've stated, if they were X distance away from bodies of water fracking would have a LOT less negative press, if regulation became tighter it would be better for everyone
And I really do hope your right bro, I could be completely wrong, or you could be wrong, either way I hope your right in that it doesn't kill that much of the native plants and animal life off
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As with what seems to be nearly everything else that humans do in this modern age, if fracking isn't regulated properly it can certainly be terribly harmful to the environment. I'm not arguing that point. I am a person who believes in the utilization of non-renewable fuels completely. I also recognize the immediacy of a new native source of hydrocarbons has on the socioeconomic situation of the United States. If the current rate of development continues, we have the potential to be energy independent by 2030. The ability to first effectively control our fuel acquisition is the first step to being able to determine the methods by which we acquire our energy.
I fear that my verbose nature causes people to misunderstand that I am NOT a chest beating ignoramus who feels fracking can do no wrong. I recognize the inherent risks. I do feel, however, that the risks on which the vast majority of people are focusing are not the ones that they truly need to be concerned about. The environmental risks are real, but the concern over the gaseous hydrocarbons being released in areas that release it all the time anyway is nothing more than misdirection and fear mongering. The real concern should be with the brine produced by the process. This is what is immediately dangerous to the environment and, by extension, the people. Why is there virtually no coverage of the brine issue?
