Another ATF starving question

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FishOnCampus said:
Chicx Method:
Pros - cheap, no feeder tank/risk of disease, usually faster or less time consuming
Cons - poor growth, risk of death and aggression, might not work on picky individuals

FishOnCampus Method:
Pros - fast growth, stress-free
Cons - time consuming to feed, takes a long time, expensive, need feeder tank

So this is strictly a matter of preference. To me, growth is very important and risk of death is a deal breaker.
Best of luck Charney
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He is still nice and thick so we have some time.


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How does pellet training cause more aggression? I thought that pellet training generally makes a tiger less aggressive.

Chicx is getting good growth on his gatf I believe 1" per month on pellets. This is still slower than on feeders? I never had experience with live feeders but doesn't everytime you buy new feeders it raises the chance of death?

Also no one has ever had a tiger die because of starvation. My Taft went 2 months without eating and finally broke.
 
most feeder fish aren't kept in the best of conditions nor do they receive the best treatments. They are typically (not always) malnourished which makes them not too healthy for your fish and stressed their immune systems resulting in them being more susceptible to disease and therefore more likely to spread it. Now if you have the ability to quarantine your feeders first and gut load them then this isn't the issue. Unfortunatley a lot of us can't or just don't. I can't so that is why I am trying to avoid feeders.

I can't talk from experience if no one has lost a tiger to starvation, but I would think people have. In the past I lost one of three payara to starvation and some other fish unintentionally. There are definitely some fish that won't or will make it really difficult to break.
 
DayumDanny said:
How does pellet training cause more aggression? I thought that pellet training generally makes a tiger less aggressive.
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Not so much aggression as the ATF starts to view his teacher fish/dithers as a meal as he becomes more stressed and gets closer to breaking. Its not unusual for the ATF to shred or kill its tankmates.

DayumDanny said:
Chicx is getting good growth on his gatf I believe 1" per month on pellets. This is still slower than on feeders? I never had experience with live feeders but doesn't everytime you buy new feeders it raises the chance of death?
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I had superb growth most of last summer that was about an inch a month, but over the past winter he stopped eating a lot of food for some reason that I can't figure out. Since springtime has rolled around he's started eating well again, though he still doesn't eat till he's about to pop like he used to.
 
How does pellet training cause more aggression? I thought that pellet training generally makes a tiger less aggressive.
Hunger causes aggression. Well said Chicx
Chicx is getting good growth on his gatf I believe 1" per month on pellets. This is still slower than on feeders? I never had experience with live feeders but doesn't everytime you buy new feeders it raises the chance of death?
At a small size, mine went faster than that, in a 29 gallon tank to hoot. I buy feeders in huge quantity and try to quarantine. I have NEVER had a problem.
Also no one has ever had a tiger die because of starvation. My Taft went 2 months without eating and finally broke.
Yours arrived on 3/20, 2.5 months ago. I don't know if your estimation of 2 months is accurate. Even a month is a long time, but just saying.
 
once you get them pellet trained (which mine isn't yet) if you get another one does the second one tend to learn quicker?
 
Charney said:
once you get them pellet trained (which mine isn't yet) if you get another one does the second one tend to learn quicker?
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Yep. When I had my babies earlier this year, it took the tanzaniae a little less than two weeks to start copying the barbs. The vittatus which I purchased a couple months later was copying the tanzaniae after about three days.

Your results may vary depending on individual fish. You might get a new one who eats pellets before your current one.
 
Are they albino or the normal ones? There was one guy on here who reported that his ATF was killing the silver ones but was fine with the albinos.
 
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