another update of intermedia..

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Before you answer that you should know they are all from the same parents and from the same batch
 
Before you answer that you should know they are all from the same parents and from the same batch

Yes I know I had xingu from this batch myself. They look like all the same type to me. One looks a bit more greener then the others but other then that they look all the same. Maybe the one that is more green has a more powerful green gene then the others :) ken raises great looking fish.


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Before you answer that you should know they are all from the same parents and from the same batch

Not all bass come out looking identical to the others. Look at the differences in wild kelberi. Some look amazing, some look like monos. Why is that? No one really knows. Same goes for brokopondo bass. When do you really see 2 that look alike?. Not saying that all xingus look different, just brining up a point that sometimes you get oddballs :).

On that note, cj will just have to grow these bad boys out and enjoy their wonderful progression. They look great already! Can't wait to see them in another 4 months or so!

Joe

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Yes I know I had xingu from this batch myself. They look like all the same type to me. One looks a bit more greener then the others but other then that they look all the same. Maybe the one that is more green has a more powerful green gene then the others :) ken raises great looking fish.


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The point isde is trying to make is that a xingu is a xingu. Doesn't matter if it's from the upper section of the xingu river or the lower. Just like kelberis, orino's, monos etc. collection point doesn't change the species type. Kelberis from the Sao Fran look different than those from the rio arguaria....they are both still kelberi. Rio meta Orino look different than rio negro orinos....yet, they are both still orinos. Same with xingu.

The big debate at hand here is....are these intermedia? Or are they xingu? Some say only time will tell. But I'm sure most have already figured it out. This same doubt or question was raised in cj's first thread on these cichla. Are these truly intermedia?

I don't believe so.


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The point isde is trying to make is that a xingu is a xingu. Doesn't matter if it's from the upper section of the xingu river or the lower. Just like kelberis, orino's, monos etc. collection point doesn't change the species type. Kelberis from the Sao Fran look different than those from the rio arguaria....they are both still kelberi. Rio meta Orino look different than rio negro orinos....yet, they are both still orinos. Same with xingu.

The big debate at hand here is....are these intermedia? Or are they xingu? Some say only time will tell. But I'm sure most have already figured it out. This same doubt or question was raised in cj's first thread on these cichla. Are these truly intermedia?

I don't believe so.


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Yeah I already know what they are aswell. I was trying to show it before this whole debate happened lol but it's besides the point. All I can say is hopefully the right thing is done in a situation like this. I don't know Cj but he seems like a good guy and has great fish!


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Example of a couple different kinds.
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Yes I know I had xingu from this batch myself. They look like all the same type to me. One looks a bit more greener then the others but other then that they look all the same. Maybe the one that is more green has a more powerful green gene then the others :) ken raises great looking fish.
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The two bass that you posted don't look that different imo, they both share the same characteristics and just like you stated about Ken's maybe the second bass has a more powerfull green gene. But honestly you can't compare two bass in two different tanks there's just too many variables like lighting, substrate, camera's, and etc.

Not all bass come out looking identical to the others. Look at the differences in wild kelberi. Some look amazing, some look like monos. Why is that? No one really knows. Same goes for brokopondo bass. When do you really see 2 that look alike?. Not saying that all xingus look different, just brining up a point that sometimes you get oddballs :).

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Exactly my point all Xingu aren't going to look identical, that doesn't mean that there are diffent types. Look at Xingu bass in the wild, the full grown adults all share the same characteristics.
 
The point isde is trying to make is that a xingu is a xingu. Doesn't matter if it's from the upper section of the xingu river or the lower. Just like kelberis, orino's, monos etc. collection point doesn't change the species type. Kelberis from the Sao Fran look different than those from the rio arguaria....they are both still kelberi. Rio meta Orino look different than rio negro orinos....yet, they are both still orinos. Same with xingu.

The big debate at hand here is....are these intermedia? Or are they xingu? Some say only time will tell. But I'm sure most have already figured it out. This same doubt or question was raised in cj's first thread on these cichla. Are these truly intermedia?

I don't believe so.


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Thanks G, that's exactly what I was trying to say lol, and I don't think so either.
 
Thanks for all the concern on the identification of these fish. If I misidentified, that means, also the importer, and several other wholesalers, and many hobbyists as well have mis-identified this fish. If that is the case, I will make it right with the owner of the fish, need not to worry.

As for mis-identifying baby bass its very easy, just remember, since the initial import back in 2007, there have been "zero" actual ones imported. This was the closest to one that I came to believing that it was the real thing. And even looking back at the pictures of when I first got them, they still look like intermedia to me.

So if they turn out other than intermedia, I will take full responsibility for them. When was the last time you've seen a vendor say that? All the past few years with the hundreds of imported and misidentified cichla that came in, where are they now?
 
As for mis-identifying baby bass its very easy, just remember, since the initial import back in 2007, there have been "zero" actual ones imported. This was the closest to one that I came to believing that it was the real thing. And even looking back at the pictures of when I first got them, they still look like intermedia to me.

I agree it is very easy to mis-identify baby bass, I hope that us skeptics are wrong and they are Intermedia but if not I still applaud the attempt because like you said since the initial import no one else has been closer to bringing them in.
 
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