Any "Panama Green" Umbee Still Around?

[fishman09]

why so defensive all the time?? they're not trying to diminish anything you guys are doing for the umbees in the hobby which is awesome keeping fresh clean blood from umbeelievable parents. seems llike any difference of opinion on anything is taken as a slight when its just guys stating facts. not to mention there a rew guys with some pretty legit credentials that have been around this stuff since before a lot of us were born. this is merely a discussion and in no wayyl a slight. on the nuts-tastic umbees being introduced in the hobby. maybe instead of getting so defensive you actually read what theyre trying to say and maybe you'll learn something like I do most of the time they post on here.

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[Aquamojo]

actually Ed the fish will be known as sp. Gorillus as Chris will have rights to naming the fish if it is indeed classified as a new species.

Nope. Dead wrong. Do your homework. The fish...IF DESCRIBED...is named by the person that describes the fish. The fish DOES need a location to be described.

btw mojo, put the fish under the same lighting spectrum b4 posting comparison pics..... I can create the same allusion with dovii w/ the same specimen

Then do it. I think you mean "illusion" as in referring "producing a false or misleading impression of reality"....a trick of the light, instead of "allusion" which means "a passing reference". Both photos above were taken with the "same lighting spectrum"...they are called four Nikon SB900 flash units. There's no trick. ONe of them is blue...the rest are not. Talk to me about anything BUT photography. You don't have clue in that arena...which makes you 0 for 2.

BTW...look for my article about P. "coatzacoalcos" in the upcoming cichlid issue of Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine...and cover shot where more "allusion" has been applied.

I'm done here folks. My moron quota has just been sated.

 

[Aquamojo]

By tradition, the right to name a new species is given to the discoverer, or more precisely the scientific describer of the species (who is not necessarily the person who discovered the species in nature). There are, however, many regulations to be followed when naming a species, all of them fixed by the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) when animals are concerned, or the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (ICBN) for plants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_naming

 

[flowerpower]

actually Ed the fish will be known as sp. Gorillus as Chris will have rights to naming the fish if it is indeed classified as a new species.

No, I get you. I was being a bit facetious. Gorillus it is!
This 'debate'(one sided as it may be)seems to be perpetual. UK ain't giving out the info, so why clamor for it? That, I will never understand. Especially when (and mark my words) some people are going to buy them, then turn around and sell them(they get too rank big). Those who breed them will sell the f2 fry.
There are other fish in the hobby with uncertain origins. I think rotkeil sevs fit that bill, right? It would be nice to know where they came from but if the collector doesn't want to indulge (or be taken seriously), so be it. The fish will be in the hobby for those who want it and we move on.
I was serious about the pictures though. Can someone at least throw up a picture of the umbees from Below Water?

 

[ryansmith83]

There are other fish in the hobby with uncertain origins. I think rotkeil sevs fit that bill, right? It would be nice to know where they came from but if the collector doesn't want to indulge (or be taken seriously), so be it. The fish will be in the hobby for those who want it and we move on.

Heros sp. 'rotkeil' are from the Amazon basin near Iquitos, Peru. They are collected and exported quite regularly.

 

[Nemesis]

If and when the fish is described, I'm certain the location will have to be disclosed. But until then, there's really no reason to carry on with this discussion/argument. If UK doesn't want to disclose the location at this time, then by all means he has that right. And until the fish is actually described, IMO he also has the right to call it whatever he likes. Though I do doubt the name will stick once it's described. Off the top of my head I can think of one instance where the given name had nothing to do with the location of a newly discovered fish, and that is the Crenicichla sp. Lime that Woodland discovered.

As long as everyone can be responsible with them for the time being, I find no problem with the name.

Now.... How about them Panama Greens?

 

[jgentry]

actually Ed the fish will be known as sp. Gorillus as Chris will have rights to naming the fish if it is indeed classified as a new species.

and as for disclosing exact location, this in fact doesn't need to happen to be classified (before you Bill Nye the science guys get up on here telling me thats a lie think about some species that have GENERIC locals) *choco*

btw mojo, put the fish under the same lighting spectrum b4 posting comparison pics..... I can create the same allusion with dovii w/ the same specimen

I'm confused? I didn't think sp is used on anything once formally described.

 

[dogofwar]

whats funny is that the fish pharisee's are spewing the fish law that in the end is all based on opinion.

The irony here is that you seem to be arguing against something that IS NOT opinion.

As Mo quoted earlier:

There are, however, many regulations to be followed when naming a species, all of them fixed by the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) when animals are concerned, or the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (ICBN) for plants.

Matt

 

[Aquanero]

I'm confused? I didn't think sp is used on anything once formally described.

It’s not. As an example Krobia sp Xingu Orange has been formally described and is now Krobia xinguensis. If this Umbee is described as a new species the name could end up being similar, i.e. If the fish was discovered in the Iscuandé River of Colombia it could for clarity be tentatively referred to as Caquetaia sp Iscuane Black. If it is eventually described as a new species it could then at the sole discretion of the person who describes it be call Caqueta iscuandensis. The common name has nothing to do with the Latin name assigned to it. It could be referred to as Gorilla Black or any thing else in common parlance like C. Festae is a commonly referred to as a Red Terror.

 

[flowerpower]

Heros sp. 'rotkeil' are from the Amazon basin near Iquitos, Peru. They are collected and exported quite regularly.

Oh, thanks. I've read this but was unaware that wilds were being imported.... I was under the impression that they might be an aquarium strain (or at least that's what I took away from this discussion).
http://www.cichlidae.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10777
If you're right then I'll have to bump them to the top of my Heros wishlist.
Pardon the derail. ROFL