OK guys, lets get one thing clear. It is not about the money. Its about Respect. Here it is simply and plain. I brought something new to this hobby and gave something that did not exist here a name to refer to. Upon doing so, a group of members here did not like the name and would not respect the fact that I would not disclose the locations at the time.This group of people could not get passed it and over looked the fish because of the name given. This alone blew my mind away and If you talk to anyone who knows me, I'm the kind of guy that don't take will to things like that and will continue to provoke you until something happens. Yes, I did ask for help from Mojo and RD trying to find my way through this as I have never collected something that I believe to be so profound. And as R.D. admitted very little help was given. I have been in this hobby for a while now and I have seen collectors collect new strains or new species and name them what they like. After all I believe it is there right to. Its to bad that the person who is describing the fish (scientist) who never spent the time in the jungle collecting them gets the rights in the end right??? I find it amusing how a man such as myself can show you people actual footage of this species location and show you, me actually pulling them out of there waters of there location and then show you the actual cichlid back in my tank here in the U.S.A. and still say things like there "location does not exist." When these same people would buy fish from a vendor that does have the river title on the specimen that is not proving that these fish are were they say they are from and be so satisfied not to question if they are truly from the location given or even from the wild for that matter. Now that is interesting. Dog of War you say I look un informed when the fact is Im the most Informed person on this species of Cichlid as I know where they are from and you don't. As far as crossing Locations X and Z Umbees, These are your blue Umbees that are not from the Rio Magdalena but from two distinct locations. Blue Umbriferum are not only found in the Rio Magdalena you can find them in other rivers and lakes in Colombia. So what were doing is crossing a blue umbee with a blue umbee introducing new genes trying to make a more colorful Blue UMBEE. There behavior is the same so theres nothing being lost R.D. Its not like were crossing the Black Umbee with the Blue Umbee. You see the Rio Magdalena is a large river that passes through Colombia, So even within that river system you will find different populations of Blue Umbee but no one here has even questioned that. What part of the Rio Magdalena are your UMBEES from? You see thats because your suppliers don't really know unless there down there collecting the fish themselves. Anyway Mojo, RD, and Dog of War I would like to tell all three of you that this has been the most flattering post I have ever been apart of. How many days now have you guys been dropping my name on this thread? Thank you for your wealth of knowledge and the personal time you three have devoted to keeping such an interesting thread goingI do want everyone to know that I have two strains of Gorillus both are 2 generations deep in fry. Largest fry approaching 6 inches and let me tell you these things are something different. I have not distributed these fish yet but just so you know My true intentions was always to provide my fellow hobbyist with there location points and I will do so when I'm ready to diss purse them. So there will be no confusion among the two strains. I've enjoyed this thread very much and hope that we as a community can grow together if not O welllllllll cause Im a do me.....
