Anybody else big into the UFC

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i like pride overall.
especially the Bushido series. Ryo Chonan has mad skillzz.

BUT, i do like how UFC changed their elbow rule...UFC is still fun to watch.
K1 heavyweights i dont like, excpet Kaoklai. but i do like K1 MAX.

pace.
 
fishking said:
i grew up boxing, and know many professional fighters, these guys from UFC and PRIDE, would destroy any boxer, forget about shamrock, and royce gracie, they were decent, but the sport has took off since then, there is no way a guy like Floyd mayweather could last a minute witha guy like George St. Pierre, of the ufc, and Andrei Arelofski, the ufc heavyweight champ, would make quick work of the Klitscos, and a guy like Mirko crocop, of PRIDE would KO mohamad ali if he was around...when lennox lewis was heavyweight champ a japenese promoter offered 9 million to fight Don the predator fry, lenox *****ed.
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bull****, in a streetfight someone like floyd or corrales or castillo would make mincemeat of any similar sized MMA fighter, their punches are lethal. I've done taekwondo, thai boxing and real boxing. Pro boxers train for 12 3 minute rounds, have deadly speed and accuracy and far better hand techniques.

vitali klitschko is the best of a bad bunch, but he was actually a kick boxer before he went to boxing. He;d bash arlofski.

Crocop is good because he has genuinely good hand techniques. Good straight left.

Pro boxers are on another level to the MMA guys.
 
No way. Boxers freeze in the clinch. MMA folks DOMINATE in the clinch. It would be over. Boxers wouldn't have a clue what to do with the clinch and eventually the guard. Boxers do fight for 12 rds - MMA fight to finish it in a few minutes. Besides, 10 mins for the first rd is a lot tougher than 3 mins, rest, 3 mins, rest, 3 mins, rest.

And CroCop is known for his devastating left kick, not his hand skills.

And Arlovski would kill Klitchko - either of them. Submissions, quick unbridled aggression....
However, the best heavyweight around is Fedor Emelianko. His brother is also brutal, but Fedor is the Pride heavywieght champion, and has not lost in a few years. He beat down Cro Cop a few months ago.
 
freeze in the clinch? Have you seen corrales, castillo, floyd, hopkins, mormeck fight at all? I doubt it. How about Morales or Barrera or Hatton? The guys at the top level are ****ing brilliant at infighting. Slipping, parrying, blocking with shoulders, sneaking in the odd elbow.

Give a world class boxer a bit of training to defend against a takedown and they'd clean up their weight class in MMA.

Why don't they do it? There's a LOT more money in pro boxing, a lot more.

Who said cro cop is known for his hand skills over his kick? My point is he is one of the very few who have good hand techniques.

You may have also noticed a trend in MMA, recently guys have been winning using punches against grapplers. Sudo against Gracie, lidell against ortiz, silva, belfort, rampage etc win a lot with punches. Fedor uses punches too.

Those guys in MMA don't have the chins to take a flush shot from a world class pro who can crack. They'd get KO'd clean.

If a washed up bum like botha can give a former champ like bonjasky a good fight, an actual top ranked world class fighter would batter them all.

Boxers train for 12 rounds and often end it within minutes. Do you know why a lot of world class fights go the distance? Because their chins and defense are much better than MMA fighters.

The training is different too, in training boxers take a lot more punishment and have more full contact sparring than in MMA. You get the odd boxer w/a glass chin, but on the whole they can take more punishment than the MMA guys.

The people who think an MMA guy would take out a world class boxer are the people who have never fought themselves.

If Arlovski or Fedor turned pro boxing they'd get bashed by either klit, and they'd even get clowned by someone like chris byrd.
 
Whoa, yes. Freeze in the clinch. Clinch and hold. It happens all the time in boxing. The ref steps in a says clean break. When in the clinch and someone is throwing an uppercut, what would they do when somone takes a leg out from them and takes them to the ground or gets a thai clinch going then throws knees and regular elbows? A boxer isn't used to that. They are used to watching shoulders, not looking for liver kicks inside kicks and knees. They would get murdered.

"Give a world class boxer a bit of training to defend against a takedown and they'd clean up their weight class in MMA." HAHAHAHA - ok....

And you said "Crocop is good because he has genuinely good hand techniques. Good straight left." I said he is known for his left kick. Your statement implies that his hand skills are what seperates him from the rest of the pack. I think he's an excellent fighter, but his left leg is brutal - more so than his hands, but I do agree that he has great hand skills.

And you said that boxers would beat MMA people, not MMA guys going to box. Totally different. Your argument was that in a brawl a boxer wins. Boxing has rules that make it a farce and lame to watch IMO. It is overtly corrupt and an overall scam. It has too many problems to ever be cleaned up. And what's this one fight a year crap? That's because of the BS money involved. MMA fighters will fight and fight and fight. When was the last time you saw a boxer fight 3 matches in one night?

Remember, it's not about punches to the face, but many a boxer will tap out when he gets snagged in an arm bar or an ankle lock.

"You may have also noticed a trend in MMA, recently guys have been winning using punches against grapplers. Sudo against Gracie, lidell against ortiz, silva, belfort, rampage etc win a lot with punches. Fedor uses punches too."
Not really a trend. I see a lot of submissions as well. People get knocked out. People get submitted. Yes, and knees/kicks/stomps to the head stop fights as well. Belfort got submitted in his last fight via guillotine. Rampage won his last fight with a head stomp/stopage. The fight before that he had some knees to the face that knocked him out - but I think he had a broken rib. Silva spent most of his last fight on the ground and lost to Arona via decision. Ortiz takes all of his fights to the ground. He wins most of them, but lost to Frank Shamrocka dfew years ago via submission (arm bar if I recall), Randy Couture (ground game that Randy domainated) and Chuck lidell (mounted and beat down). All of those were on the ground - not really a boxer's haven.

And yes, fedor does win with punches a lot. Mostly when he is on the ground and dominating them. He also submits people via arm bar.

Check out Gomi - he's a bad ass. He punches, kicks, knees, and submits.

And just FYI, a lot of knockout happen in MMA becasue they use tiny little 4oz knuckle gloves. Not big pillows like pro boxers. It's a lot different as far as impact and definitely a lot different defending yourself.

Hope that helps clarify a bit. I think boxing is overrated, you think MMA is over rated. Word.
 
I agree, it has gone south since new managment skills have been put into place. It is starting to be broadcasted on fx.
 
A well rounded MMA fighter will beat a great boxer most of the time because boxers do not know how to sprawl or avoid the take down and when took to the ground they will be out of there element and the MMA fighter will ground and pound them looking for the KO or the tap out. If a MMA fighter wanted to stand up with a boxer then I am sure the boxer would destroy him but most MMA fighters arent dumb enough to stand up vs a world class boxer that is the reason they learn a variety of fighting styles.
 
Ground fighting is good as well. it's an important element. I have a great appreciation for the ability to work from the bottom into a kemura (sp? figure 4 arm lock) and reverse, or a triangle choke, arm bar, or other submission. Great stuff.

November I think is just a replay of the Pride Bushido tourney (GREAT show) and in December there is a "best of: submissions" ppv. I tivo all of them and burn them to dvd.
 
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