Anybody knows any sellers of these cats?

[thebiggerthebetter]

1300 gal can run on one 6600 GPH pump, such as one of mine Pro-Eco, SP series, 430 Watts.

430 watt x 24 hours a day x 30 days = 309,600 watt hours = 310 kilowatt hours x $0.1 per kilowatt hour = $31 a month to run such pump, no bubbler would be even needed to set up right, the flow will be strong (but it'd be risky, a single point failure system is a huge risk for fish lives).

$31 a month can't break a family budget. Just a paper argument.

I sure am glad that the internet wasn't around back in the early '80s for me to share my teenage pipe dreams with the world. This thread is comedy to me. Good luck with your project and plans Matteo. Props to the many sources of quality info and voices of reason for chiming in.

Haha... You are not afraid to expose your insecurities now Rob! So you got wiser. It's imperative for a psychological health to be comfortable with who you are, given you understand who you are more or less adequately - a very critical condition.

Yes, I agree with you, this thread probably takes the top in terms of dreaming, but it ain't necessarily bad. It's a test for all of us. For Matteo to learn and keep learning and never stop learning what's realistic and what's not. The same for more seasoned peers, plus to learn to be considerate and kind and prudent - not encourage foolishness and irresponsibility but not be a dream stomper and a ruthless cold shower for the newbie's enthusiasm. The world runs on well meaning enthusiasts, they say...

 

[Kolton13]

1300 gal can run on one 6600 GPH pump, such as one of mine Pro-Eco, SP series, 430 Watts.

430 watt x 24 hours a day x 30 days = 309,600 watt hours = 310 kilowatt hours x $0.1 per kilowatt hour = $31 a month to run such pump, no bubbler would be even needed to set up right, the flow will be strong (but it'd be risky, a single point failure system is a huge risk for fish lives).

$31 a month can't break a family budget. Just a paper argument.


Haha... You are not afraid to expose your insecurities now Rob! So you got wiser. It's imperative for a psychological health to be comfortable with who you are, given you understand who you are more or less adequately - a very critical condition.

Yes, I agree with you, this thread probably takes the top in terms of dreaming, but it ain't necessarily bad. It's a test for all of us. For Matteo to learn and keep learning and never stop learning what's realistic and what's not. The same for more seasoned peers, plus to learn to be considerate and kind and prudent - not encourage foolishness and irresponsibility but not be a dream stomper and a ruthless cold shower for the newbie's enthusiasm. The world runs on well meaning enthusiasts, they say...

So he’s getting the 1300 and like 4 other ponds he says. In the end it will be a little more money on top of the 31$

 

[necrocanis]

Glad to see our dear Sensei surfacing for a gulp of air. If I may interject, the situation in the southern FL, where we both reside, is a bit different from the picture you have in mind, a fair picture otherwise. Peers are able to maintain outdoor ponds with tropicals around our parts. Plus there is yours truly about 2 hours away from the OP's, it seems... ... not to say I'd ever encourage irresponsible fish keeping (our charter is the opposite) or, worse, that I am a problem profiteer. God forbid.

I see. Well if he has the land and money I suggest digging a massive pond and going crazy then cause that's what I'd do haha. . I can't do that cause I'm broke, live in not so warm Montana, and I wouldn't be able to keep my daughter from swimming with the undoubted massive collection of catfish I would accumulate haha.

I sure am glad that the internet wasn't around back in the early '80s for me to share my teenage pipe dreams with the world. This thread is comedy to me. Good luck with your project and plans Matteo. Props to the many sources of quality info and voices of reason for chiming in.

Bwahaha. Yeah it was just becoming a thing when I was a teen and I didn't even have it. My dreams were pretty crazy. Still are. Maybe some day I'll grow up. I still want a massive lake full of monster fish with a reverse aquarium protruding from the bottom so I can watch them all day.

On the other hand if the OP gets this going I'd really love to see it documented

 

[MatteoTheEnder22]

I agree with The Masked Shadow take your time. This is your first ever tanks, besides you told me you have had fish bowls with goldfish and such. Jumping into a POND and like 8 different things is not the smartest. No I’m not calling you dumb but the idea of it is silly, no offense to you but you’re not ready. My grandma has a 3 gallon glofish tank. And she absolutely loves my gulper and I teach her all about him, it doesn’t mean she’s ready to get one for herself(which she wants one?) so I told her in order for you to get on you need to work your way up. So next summer she’s getting a 10g tank for 3 corys and a female betta, with lots of plants for more responsibility and also because we both love plants. Matt, you have 0 tanks as on now and are already planning on getting a 1300 gallon pond, for big fish and for stuff that will probably take people in this hobby YEARS to get all setup and actually happy with all of it, now I believe your 14 if I remember correctly, by the time you get all setup and the fish and everything finished, you’ll probably be a senior or maybe going to college. And the idea of leaving the ponds at school, do you really want to do that? You won’t be able to see them, you won’t be able to interact. It’s like if you worked at an aquarium. And a BULLSHARK?? Dude you seriously need to rethink a lot of this. And I don’t try to be mean when I say these things. But if you like catfish and you like the old prehistoric look, why not get bichirs? Rope fish?(another kind of bichir) and maybe a like 55 for a jag catfish and a few butterfly fish and make it heavily planted? Could do lots of bichirs in a 125 and the 55 I just said and call it a day. Easy Christmas, easy life. You wanting to get all of this stuff, is gonna mess up your schoolwork and your time with family. And I get it you wanna impress your family and SO DID I, I wanted to get some insane things like 2 years ago, I look back on it and I’m like thank you God for not allowing me the CHANCE to even start it. I’m not gonna get into it because I’ll look like a fool but anyway, you need to slow down just like the masked shadow said, I’m not trying to be rude but it’s best for you. The max sized tank I have is a 75g and I’m busy all the time with it. In fact I’m getting some reptiles because they are in my opinion are much easier to care for than fish. You can take my advice or leave it but like necrocanis said you can’t just donate them to places, becuse 99% of the time they’ll say no. And once your parents see the electric bill after a month or so, I wouldn’t count on having a 1300 gallon pond anymore?

I understand the concern but you gotta remember not everyone is the same what is interesting for you might not be for me, also I've come too a simple solution for being able to donate them just keep rare fish as victor said before nobody would be in their right mind to turn down rare fish that are already grown and situated too captivity. Yes the bullshark was just a joke I'm not that crazy yet. If you also read some of my earlier post I stated that the fish staying at the school would be the aquaculture fish I wouldn't trust anyone beside a select few too care for a rare fish that may cost hundreds of dollars or hundreds of my hours.
One more thing I've had a experience keeping fish before I'm not what you call a noob.

GSC appears to be as timid a fish as it gets. Their response to any trouble is to swim away as fast and as far as they can, which doesn't work out great in an enclosure.



Glad to see our dear Sensei surfacing for a gulp of air. If I may interject, the situation in the southern FL, where we both reside, is a bit different from the picture you have in mind, a fair picture otherwise. Peers are able to maintain outdoor ponds with tropicals around our parts. Plus there is yours truly about 2 hours away from the OP's, it seems... ... not to say I'd ever encourage irresponsible fish keeping (our charter is the opposite) or, worse, that I am a problem profiteer. God forbid.

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Kolton13

Kolton: I agree with The Masked Shadow take your time. This is your first ever tanks, besides you told me you have had fish bowls with goldfish and such. Jumping into a POND and like 8 different things is not the smartest.
Viktor: Agreed.

Kolton: ... Matt, you have 0 tanks as on now and are already planning on getting a 1300 gallon pond, for big fish and for stuff that will probably take people in this hobby YEARS to get all setup and actually happy with all of it,
Viktor: yes and I believe Matt said it will be after graduation likely, so hence the years you mention...

Kolton: now I believe your 14 if I remember correctly, by the time you get all setup and the fish and everything finished, you’ll probably be a senior or maybe going to college. And the idea of leaving the ponds at school, do you really want to do that? You won’t be able to see them, you won’t be able to interact. It’s like if you worked at an aquarium.
Viktor: if I got it right, the tubs / ponds won't belong to him but to the school

Kolton: And a BULLSHARK?? Dude you seriously need to rethink a lot of this.
Viktor: if I got it right, it was a joke, kind of a derision / sarcasm...

Kolton: ... I’m not gonna get into it because I’ll look like a fool
Viktor: to me this argument has never been a detriment, fortunately or not. More often than not I look like a fool as I keep reporting mistakes and blunders with my fish. My "dead fish" thread alone is quite telling of my capabilities.

Kolton: ... The max sized tank I have is a 75g and I’m busy all the time with it. In fact I’m getting some reptiles because they are in my opinion are much easier to care for than fish.
Viktor: This doesn't sound right to me. You may be doing something wrong or inefficient being so busy with one 75 gal tank but I am not a plants guy, so maybe the plants are more challenging. I ditch them then.

Kolton: You can take my advice or leave it but like necrocanis said you can’t just donate them to places, becuse 99% of the time they’ll say no.
Viktor: See above.

Kolton: And once your parents see the electric bill after a month or so, I wouldn’t count on having a 1300 gallon pond anymore?
Viktor: at 10 cents a kilowatt n southern FL, I doubt it, unless $50 more for electric can upset the financial applecart...

Okay GSC are very timid I guess I can see that flight or fight I guess as there any other species of exotic carp (no goldfish or koi) that you would recommend, also victor everything you said is correct except about the tubs those would be my own property. Also kolton like victor said I live in south florida even more further south where I am right next to the everglades literally 30 min away, well the weather may not be perfect at times It's a lot better than your northern winters also everything is going to be diy/ as natural as possible. Predation wouldn't be a problem because I've already thought of the way to combat it
1. get motion sensor lights
2. Pothos plants
3. Keep as many fish with me
4. put plenty of plants and hiding places

Best advice is to get your tanks situated first. Then source fish that are easier to find to start with, that can live in the space you have for life . Good luck I like your energy. Remember a lot of catfish species can live for many decades. Don't bet on rescues or aquariums taking your fish when they are too large or unwanted. They get overloaded from the aquarium trade already and likely none will be willing to take any unless super rare and in excellent condition.

Okay necrocanis I would do that thank you for the advice.

I sure am glad that the internet wasn't around back in the early '80s for me to share my teenage pipe dreams with the world. This thread is comedy to me. Good luck with your project and plans Matteo. Props to the many sources of quality info and voices of reason for chiming in.

I can't really see where the comedy is exactly but thank you for the kind words.

Also guys you no idea how much I'm fan girling on the other side of this computer a lot of my fishkeeping idols have responded to my thread this is literally the best thing that happen to me in all of 2020.

Edit* If we are talking dreams then The globally international aquarium will see the light of day in 10 to 15 years lol

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

So he’s getting the 1300 and like 4 other ponds he says. In the end it will be a little more money on top of the 31$

Kolton, I am addressing your posts verbatim, at the face value of what you write - "75 gal alone", "1300 gal alone", your words, not mine You keep weaseling out that you actually meant something different and more, which is ok and understandable, but don't think it is not noted In any case, my replies stand as far as I can see and may provide some guidance, I hope.

 

[Kolton13]

Kolton, I am addressing your posts verbatim, at the face value of what you write - "75 gal alone", "1300 gal alone", your words, not mine You keep weaseling out that you actually meant something different and more, which is ok and understandable, but don't think it is not noted In any case, my replies stand as far as I can see and may provide some guidance, I hope.

Yeah I understand?

 

[The Masked Shadow]

You can do research, but try to keep it to a minimum. This project will last a while, and you have plenty of time to enjoy it.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

You can do research, but try to keep it to a minimum. This project will last a while, and you have plenty of time to enjoy it.

I don't see how keeping research to a minimum is a beneficial, good advice, unless you are speaking for instance about burning out, but then it'd be helpful if you stated so. You may be quite right ... or not... but ... may I please suggest to keep unsolicited advising to a tasteful and tactful minimum too, on par with the research?

Once is enough. Twice is nagging. Three times (along with others) is pushing things down OP's throat and becoming borderline aggressive, maybe offensive to the OP. It makes me uncomfortable, for one, and I am not even the one it is directed at.

In general, it is a good idea to keep your answers to the questions and the topic at hand and extraneous opinions to oneself. In other words, try to refrain, in good measure, from answering questions that are not asked. A thread and posts can always be ignored, which will let the OP know people are tired or uninterested in helping anymore. A healthy person will realize it was something he/she has done and change the approach.