Anyone have a true black diamond?

[dookie]

Attached some BDs and Leos, Leohen and their neighbour sakuras for your viewing.
You notice the leohen is on the extreme right hand side [not full pictures], the spots are not white.

Regards

Now that's what I'm talking about!

 

[andersp90]

I own a few bds and personally i dont even think they are leos.

They are just a location type of the common leopoldi.

There is nothing that points in the direction of them being another species or even a subspecies.

Also, you claim that the shell from shrimps will turn yellow spots white? Are we talking about animals who has just arrived or animlas that have been in captivity for years?

Its normal for BD to have yellow spots when stressed. They will turn white again after some time. On their own.

 

[herman quah]

Tom,
Nice com of BD u got there... The Centre pc with big and thosands spottings is a killer Yr offsprings will be interesting to watch, can't image how their kids will be..

Attached some BDs and Leos, Leohen and their neighbour sakuras for your viewing.
You notice the leohen is on the extreme right hand side [not full pictures], the spots are not white.

Regards

 

[herman quah]

Can elaborate more on point 1? I can only see 5 rings on BD...

For me, must points to select when buying a so called "BD" are:

1. 3 complete white spot rings at outer disc.
3 completed rings inclusive of a tiny spots ring just at the edge of the disc. In total, there are about 6 or more white ring spots on the disc plate.

2. White spots should be [white - as white as possible], [round - if possible] and [big - except for the initial 3 rings], try to avoid those yellowish spots unless you are convinced that they can be turned white.

3. Many tiny spots on both eyes' lips.

4. No pink partner foot print on the disc.

5. Disc plate must be charcoal black, try to avoid those greyish base.

6. Under belly spots - some may not have. For me, importantly must have item 1,2,3 & 5.

7. Of course, the short flat tail.

Who can confirm that in the wild, rays do not cross mate?
To me, BD is also P13 Leo. In captive breeding, BD and good quality leo and with few generations may also produce better quality P13. What would you name this "pup" if they look same or better than a pure BD? Subjective and to be discussed??

What if we have BD and P12?
Will we be able to get "Pure Whitish Spots" and "Charcoal black disc" when P12 gene has yellowish spots and greyish disc? Perhaps, after few generations?

Finally when you are buying a bd, you judge the look of the so called BD, very nice pay more, average pay less, have doubt don't buy. How to tell a pure BD after so many generations of selective breeding. Which breeders will not want to create new higher quality species for higher price?

Out of topic? Sorry, i talk to much.

Regards

 

[Tom32]

Usually and common BD has 5 rings.
You may find a few more spots inside the 5th ring.
I consider these as the 6th or 7th rings, of course your pocket will also have more holes if you buy this type of BD.

I have a PDF picture of it but not able to down load it.

This is only my opinion.

Regards

 

[herman quah]

Still confuse....attached a photo of a 7in pup... Is this consider the typical 5rings ?

Usually and common BD has 5 rings.
You may find a few more spots inside the 5th ring.
I consider these as the 6th or 7th rings, of course your pocket will also have more holes if you buy this type of BD.

I have a PDF picture of it but not able to down load it.

This is only my opinion.

Regards

 

[vamptrev]

Still confuse....attached a photo of a 7in pup... Is this consider the typical 5rings ?

i would kill for a bd w big spots like that one

 

[dookie]

Are these in anyway cheaper in asia?

 

[pasyv]

I loved reading this thread.
Thanks for showing us those beautiful rays.
I enjoyed myself.

 

[xander]

a friends 27pcs of female BD..

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197567&page=5