Are jags more succeptable to HITH than oscars??

[Onion01]

Oh I have read that page, but its smaller than the dot on the oscar's first sign of HITH or HLLE whatever you want to call it. It literally just appeared overnight.


So it could be from fighting? The green severum has more damage on his face, but he just keeps charging the jag. I bet he did something to tick him off because the jag is really peaceful. Maybe it might be just some scratching. I will toss some aquarium salt in and do another water change today (this will be the 3rd one this week).


I ran out of nitrate/nitrite test strips because one of my angelfish died and I used a couple on that yesterday.


Thanks for the quik replies.

sometimes my fish have what looks like HITH, but it is just from scrapes and bites. Throw in the salt anyways, it will help. If it just appeared overnight and your water is good, it probably isn't HITH

 

[fishfarm]

HITH is not caused by a disease accept maybe heximeda in discus, 99% of the time it diet and water quality, People crowd too many large fish into a tank, don't do enough water changes and feed the same food all the time, Do weeking 50% water changes, mix up the diet to include more varied foods, especially food with more veggies, add a viatamin suppliment to the food. HITH will regress and go away, I have more than 10,000 fish in my hatchery, never, ever have any HITH even with large old Centrals I've had for 8-10 years. It's all husbandry folks. Adding a bunch of chemicals sold to treat HITH just adds to the problem. Clean water and good food is all you need. I use low dose salt on everything, all the time, Prevents a lot of problems. Ken

 

[ShadowStryder]

HITH is not caused by a disease accept maybe heximeda in discus, 99% of the time it diet and water quality, People crowd too many large fish into a tank, don't do enough water changes and feed the same food all the time, Do weeking 50% water changes, mix up the diet to include more varied foods, especially food with more veggies, add a viatamin suppliment to the food. HITH will regress and go away, I have more than 10,000 fish in my hatchery, never, ever have any HITH even with large old Centrals I've had for 8-10 years. It's all husbandry folks. Adding a bunch of chemicals sold to treat HITH just adds to the problem. Clean water and good food is all you need. I use low dose salt on everything, all the time, Prevents a lot of problems. Ken

Totally agree Ken, I have been in fishkeeping for over 20 yrs and have never had a case of HITH and I am what people would call an overstocker. Good husbandry is the key, plenty of water changes and varied diet.

 

[---XR---]

tottally agree with ken and SS, i'v never had a jag with hith or other fish for that matter, i only cases of hith i have seen in my fish was in very old oscars.

 

[Schnauzer]

HITH is not caused by a disease accept maybe heximeda in discus, 99% of the time it diet and water quality, People crowd too many large fish into a tank, don't do enough water changes and feed the same food all the time, Do weeking 50% water changes, mix up the diet to include more varied foods, especially food with more veggies, add a viatamin suppliment to the food. HITH will regress and go away, I have more than 10,000 fish in my hatchery, never, ever have any HITH even with large old Centrals I've had for 8-10 years. It's all husbandry folks. Adding a bunch of chemicals sold to treat HITH just adds to the problem. Clean water and good food is all you need. I use low dose salt on everything, all the time, Prevents a lot of problems. Ken

Hi Ken,
I have used non-iodized table salt in my tanks for over 40 years. 1 teaspoon per gallon. Many of my fish are from 10 to 16 years old. I do 50% to 75% water changes every week along with a quality varied diet.
I am curious as to what and how much salt you use.

Hope I'm not derailing this thread.

 

[ScullCraca]

HITH is not caused by a disease accept maybe heximeda in discus, 99% of the time it diet and water quality, People crowd too many large fish into a tank, don't do enough water changes and feed the same food all the time, Do weeking 50% water changes, mix up the diet to include more varied foods, especially food with more veggies, add a viatamin suppliment to the food. HITH will regress and go away, I have more than 10,000 fish in my hatchery, never, ever have any HITH even with large old Centrals I've had for 8-10 years. It's all husbandry folks. Adding a bunch of chemicals sold to treat HITH just adds to the problem. Clean water and good food is all you need. I use low dose salt on everything, all the time, Prevents a lot of problems. Ken

Four fish in a month old 150g all less the 5inches is not over crowding. 2 x 50% water changes a week and again the tank is less then a month old! I am absolutly in agreement that it was the diet that gave him the HITH. I was feeding him feeders to bulk him up good idea/ bad idea! But when I brought him he was less then 1'' and that was three months ago. And I am not calling it a disease I just classified it under that term if I am correct and I am sure you will correct me. It is more along the lines of a virus. I have been keeping fish for a long time as well and this is only the second case of it I have ever had to treat and with succes in the past 15yrs. I am not doubting that I have a lot to learn bieng that I have learned a lot since I have become a MFK just about three months. Hell I just purchased my first bottle of Vita-Chem and in two days of using it I can see the diffrence in my fish. But I think it's all to imperiative to understand that just because your fish has never had it dosen't mean anyone else won't have to deal with it at some time or another. I was just sharing what I am going through and how to treat it for the original poster. I am pretty sure anyone who has to deal with this problem will take heed of your advice. But that dosen't explain every scenerio and sitution. In my instance I am pretty sure I brought this one home with the problem. And I am 100% sure me trying to bulk him up didn't help at all. I felt really horriable when I seen it but I am also glad that I was able to identify it and was knowledgeable to remmedy the problem before I lost a prize fish in my case. For the survival of the fish and there quality of life you have to live and learn some of us will go through this and other disease/virus/illness of our beloved pets. But it happens to the best of us who are doing everything you suggested by no fault of our own. But that's why I am here to learn and to share.

 

[PoopSmart]

Well I have 2 severums, a snook, an oscar, and the jag in the 125. I think my nitrates were at about 20 maybe? But they have to be less now because I have done 3 water changes since then. It doesn't add up for it to be HITH. Why wouldn't the much older fatter oscar be mroe succeptable to it? The jag is also my most voracious eater (tied with the snook), but I still don't know if I can get him to eat any veggies. I feed market shrimp, beefheart, hikari gold (everyday), and occasionally red wrigglers.


I will just try and cover some pellets with banana or soemthing healthy and get him to go for it that way.

I have used aquarium salt to work miracles on fish (mainly on ich) but I thought the cure to HITH was water changes. Getting the nitrates down basically. I thought it had to do with vitamin deficency so soaking the pellets in vitamin water might help, but hikari gold already has a lot of vitamins in it. I am very confused as to what it is. It looks like HITH but it couldn't appear overnight. But the sev is beaten up so it could have been from a fight. I will keep everyone updated on how it progresses/regresses.

 

[scubasteve06]

In your other thread about your angel dying you said it was mysteriously. Make sure you wash your hands after putting your hands in the tank the angel died in. You might be transferring whatever it was from the angel tank to your other tank. Just a thought.

 

[ScullCraca]

Well I have 2 severums, a snook, an oscar, and the jag in the 125. I think my nitrates were at about 20 maybe? But they have to be less now because I have done 3 water changes since then. It doesn't add up for it to be HITH. Why wouldn't the much older fatter oscar be mroe succeptable to it? The jag is also my most voracious eater (tied with the snook), but I still don't know if I can get him to eat any veggies. I feed market shrimp, beefheart, hikari gold (everyday), and occasionally red wrigglers.


I will just try and cover some pellets with banana or soemthing healthy and get him to go for it that way.

I have used aquarium salt to work miracles on fish (mainly on ich) but I thought the cure to HITH was water changes. Getting the nitrates down basically. I thought it had to do with vitamin deficency so soaking the pellets in vitamin water might help, but hikari gold already has a lot of vitamins in it. I am very confused as to what it is. It looks like HITH but it couldn't appear overnight. But the sev is beaten up so it could have been from a fight. I will keep everyone updated on how it progresses/regresses.

Yea this is wierd. But I was not aware of the information that ScubaSteve shard with us. This may be the culprit of what ever you have got. But I don't think HITH comes over night and a fish can live with it for years and not show any signs of regression. Keep us posted though. Do you have any pics of this HITH?

 

[PoopSmart]

In your other thread about your angel dying you said it was mysteriously. Make sure you wash your hands after putting your hands in the tank the angel died in. You might be transferring whatever it was from the angel tank to your other tank. Just a thought.

Hmm I don't know you could be onto something. I have been to more than 3 doctors for my hands which keep cracking and peeling and bleeding and repeating for the past 8 months. I have had biopsies and alergy tests and everything. No one knows what it is. I mean right now I have 4 different pharmacutical ointments next to me, 2 on my nightstand, and one in my backpack. I had to quit my job at poopsmart because it got so bad.

The water seems to aggravate it, but its not exyma. Its not fungal either. BUt it could have something to do with the sick jag. I will check on him tomorrow to see if there is any improvement. Maybe I will get rid of the severums or something if that silly male keeps trying to fight him. Its getting old.

I just got this laptop back (there was a problem with the vista installed on it, go effing figure, and I am going to uninstall and put XP back on it) and I can't upload pics on it because it won't comply witht he software that the camera has on it. Its an old Digi cam. So when that happens you will definitely see pics. He is a camera whore, next to the snook, they follow you like a painting's eyes follow you across a room. Its creepy sometimes.