Are rays better off in high ph/tds waters

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Theirs clearly no point even arguing . Your tanks more parasite and bacteria free than the biggest river in the world, and if you use ro your rays lateral lines will deteriorate .


Just out of curiousity Toby what minerals do rays rely on absorbing in the wild ? I didn't know their was much mineral content in amazon. The hardness their is equivalent to ro water almost
 
Theirs clearly no point even arguing . Your tanks more parasite and bacteria free than the biggest river in the world, and if you use ro your rays lateral lines will deteriorate .


Just out of curiousity Toby what minerals do rays rely on absorbing in the wild ? I didn't know their was much mineral content in amazon. The hardness their is equivalent to ro water almost

just because a water source (amazon) is soft doesn't mean that it is void of minerals in the water. it DOES come into contact with the ground, the atmosphere, and other matter.

there is absolutely no way that any natural water source on this planet is devoid of minerals in its volume. the simple explanation is that it comes into contact with differing minerals based on geological region, so it would not for instance, contain as much calcium in that region.

that doesn't mean that adding valid minerals back into RO water is stupid. you are simply selecting the minerals that are beneficial instead of removing the good and bad together.
 
Really !

What does the amazon rain water go through? What do you think makes the ph so low in areas.

I wish somebody actually new that what I'm cleaning out of my water is not what's in the amazon. If you follow the post I talk about adding wood and peat.purpose to replicate the type of content in amazon river water
 
Really !

What does the amazon rain water go through? What do you think makes the ph so low in areas.

I wish somebody actually new that what I'm cleaning out of my water is not what's in the amazon. If you follow the post I talk about adding wood and peat.purpose to replicate the type of content in amazon river water
Blah Blah Blah Spit it out do you know something? what are you insinuating Calgary I think ya do spill the beans Man!!!!
 
Theirs clearly no point even arguing . Your tanks more parasite and bacteria free than the biggest river in the world, and if you use ro your rays lateral lines will deteriorate .


Just out of curiousity Toby what minerals do rays rely on absorbing in the wild ? I didn't know their was much mineral content in amazon. The hardness their is equivalent to ro water almost
There is not much mineral content Broke down for them ....
 
since calgary defends the lack of minerals in amazonian waterways, thus "the near RO water"....

http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2006/teams/furness/general.html

as you can see, this is only one source that tells of many different minerals found throughout the amazon, as well as pH's from 4's to over 7.

but *gasp*, would this mean that the amazon is far from the static low pH, no mineral waters he claims? no, scientists that have studied the waters must be wrong. right? :P
 
Really !

What does the amazon rain water go through? What do you think makes the ph so low in areas.

I wish somebody actually new that what I'm cleaning out of my water is not what's in the amazon. If you follow the post I talk about adding wood and peat.purpose to replicate the type of content in amazon river water

and yes, what your RO cleans out of your water is not what is all in the amazon. but by adding certain minerals that ARE found in the amazon to RO water would be considered beneficial to the rays, as it would closer mimic their point of origin.
so thinking toby is an idiot for adding some types of minerals into the water is plain stupid.
 
Really !

What does the amazon rain water go through? What do you think makes the ph so low in areas.

I wish somebody actually new that what I'm cleaning out of my water is not what's in the amazon. If you follow the post I talk about adding wood and peat.purpose to replicate the type of content in amazon river water

Amazon? Dude ur trippin Are u a scientist?


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So question never used a chloramine filter before with all my fish and I would be just about 100 percent sure my friend who breeds rays does not filter for it just puts prime in with weekly water changes why all the sudden would I need a filter for it? Just trying to fully understand as I want a good setup for them but some stuff seems not needed. Like people using aquarium water to rinse a filter I never do that I use the hose.

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Ok, so you now know not to wash out the filter with tap water as it kills off the bacteria. Chloramine is very toxic to fish and does not get removed as easily as Chlorine which gasses off over time and easy to remove with dechlorinator. Prime will remove Chloramine but Chloramine can produce Ammonia in the removal process although I believe Prime binds this in some way.

If you want to drip in to your tank and you have chloramine in the supply then you need to remove it with a chloramine filter as you will not be able to dose prime constantly and it needs to be done at the point of entry to the water.
 
Well Calgary, I think many of the posts above me answer your questions but: I do not know what minerals the rays NEED, I expect many or all of them?

The amazon has significant Si, Al, Fe, Na, CA, K, Mg, Ti then quartz and Kaolinite. To understand this further you need to read up on resuspension.

The amazon is not fed by rainwater as in it rains and the amazon fills up in situ, you need to look at the source and what it picks up along the way. It would seem that there is a large difference of opinion and a large expanse of understanding here, I expect this thread will go down hill and eventually locked. Some people will use RO straight, some will mix it, some will correctly add back in the remineralistaion (IMO and supported by suppliers of RO equipment) and others like me will prefer not to use RO and use heavy metal axes but keep the PH and GH higher.

Pure RO cane be looked up on tinternet and you will soon learn a few things: 1) RO should be aerated for atleast an hour before use as it can be devoid of oxygen, often registering nil. RO should be stored in non metalic containers and be careful what plastics as the water leaches everything abck in to replenish the lost nutrients. Pure RO has 0 tds and therefore has no buffering capacity so earlier in this thread the poster claimed to use pure RO but then told us his KH and GH therefore unless there is a load of dissolving substrate, rocks or coral sand somewhere then the test kits are wrong or it is not pure RO. Virtually every RO supplier says do not use it straight.....
 
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