Do you have to live in America? It said I have to sign up to the gov site.
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Asian Arowana Petition
- Thread starter lonzoencho
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Mr Biggy: You keep fish, correct? Isn't that kind of selfish? You have fish that were taken out of their natural environment for your pleasure. How is that different? You keep a fish that everyone told you that you should not, because it is too difficult - mandarin goby. How is it doing? Thriving, or dead? Didn't you take this fish out of the wild for your own selfish reasons?
I have not read this entire thing, but if you are writing to the government here in the US or Fish and Game or really any authority here, you are writing to the wrong person. The US does not control listing of species let alone CITIES or IUCN. These are international organizations and until the Asian Arowana is moved off of their list (which will probably never happen) there is no way that the US can just simply legalize them. They are unlikely to be removed for these lists because of the fact that they are endangered in their native range (other things can also factor into these listings) and there is no evidence backing their removal from these lists. In order to remove them off these lists a significant amount of research would need to be done and a breeding program established for non genetically altered arowans to be released back into he wild, essentially a stock enhancement program. That is unlikely to happen b/c most breeding facilities are banking due to the pet trade. The US has its own separate act called the Lacey act which complies with CITIES/IUCN. Its a very complicated process to get the scientific evidence and then push for a species to be unlisted and just because one of the three takes it off the list does not mean that all will comply. On top of that different acts and agency look at other issues including if the species were allowed in one area can it reproduce, what damage would that cause, etc. Environmental law and policy is a huge chunk of what I studied for my degree, I can tell you now its not a simple as submitting signatures to our own government. People might be able to keep other endangered species in the US but those species might have different restrictions and classifications depending on how/where/when and to extent they were listed just between those 3 alone. There is a lot of work and research involved in this. There are permitting programs to keep certain species for certain reasons but a lot of research and aspects are taken into account while doing this process as well. The US used to allow permits for Asian arowanas, which the US no longer does - they don't just stop it for no reason there is usually a compliance or other issues brought up by research before they decide to start or stop issuing permits. Like I said its a lot research and goes through multiple organizations on both national and international levels.
im pretty sure its not cites that stops them from coming in but the united states endangered species act
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Cites isn't the problem from what I've read. That is why Asian aros are chipped and documented so they comply with cites.
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I don't think it being on the endangered list prevents it from being legalized in specific countries. There are other species like the chinchilla that are still kept. I don't think they are a governing body that says this species can't be kept... Canada is the prime example they can keep them and why can't we? As stated in the petition these Arowana wouldn't be wild caught
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Real question for those who is really going to be able to afford one? Minus a few hardcores but other than that who? If usa gets them I bet prices will sky rocket as it opens up the market for them. Just wanted to know, because here little ones run into the hundreds but when do you ever see a smalle 4-5"? 12" will go up to 1000 (depending on species) some here are asking $3000 for ~18" gold
These petitions are a joke and onlty lead to spam email. Your gonna have to get more then a few people who want to keep these fish to change this law. Basically whaat zoodiver has already stated.
It would only take a few spawns from those "hardcore " people and prices would come down....
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