Asian Ray breeder recommendations

[Bigfishnut]

Has the cites for Rays come in already?

Would I need to sort out a permit this end to receive them like you do with arowanas?

I'm going thru it right now trying to get the CITES certificates of origin for a shipment of rays coming in from Peru at the end of May. So far it's looking like a real mess. I have people working on it and trying to sort it all out. It's so new that noone knows what to do or who to ask. Very frustrating! From what I gathered so far, the rays have to have the paperwork prior to leaving the country they are coming from. This includes captive bred rays also. Bunch of political bs if you ask me!

 

[Bigfishnut]

Has the cites for Rays come in already?

Would I need to sort out a permit this end to receive them like you do with arowanas?

I'm going thru it right now trying to get the CITES certificates of origin for a shipment of rays coming in from Peru at the end of May. So far it's looking like a real mess. I have people working on it and trying to sort it all out. It's so new that noone knows what to do or who to ask. Very frustrating! From what I gathered so far, the rays have to have the paperwork prior to leaving the country they are coming from. This includes captive bred rays also. Bunch of political bs if you ask me!

 

[Bigfishnut]

I have no idea why that posted twice

 

[SHARK13]

I'm going thru it right now trying to get the CITES certificates of origin for a shipment of rays coming in from Peru at the end of May. So far it's looking like a real mess. I have people working on it and trying to sort it all out. It's so new that noone knows what to do or who to ask. Very frustrating! From what I gathered so far, the rays have to have the paperwork prior to leaving the country they are coming from. This includes captive bred rays also. Bunch of political bs if you ask me!

I tried to tell ya lol...

 

[Bigfishnut]

I tried to tell ya lol...

Yep...you were right. I'm really glad you spoke up too. You probably saved me a wad of cash man! My import guy was in the dark on it and thought everything was good because they are coming from Peru. Because of you and a couple other guys telling me, I dug a little deeper. Unfortunately it takes 60 days to get the paperwork approved...if they even do it. So far I'm not sure if we'll get it approved in time and might have to wait till the fall order. The worst part is the exporter has tracked down the aparicio rays for me and now we might not be able to get them.

 

[SHARK13]

Your welcome. Yea they are likely seasonal, may have to wait until next year. Might not be available in the fall is what I'm getting at. Alot of rarer species like those are only collected certain times of the year. Back when I was ordering regularly I rarely had a chance to snag stuff from Peru. Maybe twice a year if I was lucky.

 

[Bigfishnut]

Yes, that's how we do it too, spring and fall from Peru. We can get a few common Columbian rays right now too with the CITES paperwork all taken care of, but the prices are high. Really more practical to go with captive bred on those. By the time you add up shipping and time spent screwing around with it all, captive bred are about the same price and usually healthier.

 

[Rghfor]

Yeah this is very true.

I have rays from aqua man already, and know of both the other two, just though it would be exciting to do as well as opposed to just buying. But then again you make a good point, and also if one was to be DOA would probably be a huge hassle to sort out.

Doa wise it's usually refunded via another shipment. It's costly to do and in repairs will be cheaper to go with established retailers