ATF/Dorado/Goonch/Datnoid PICS!!

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i'll see what i can do lix! gonna be having a photo shoot tonight, just did a few water changes, carbon rinse, and actually windexed the glass too!

I wasnt aware, but Chicx was telling me that most thai goonches are in fact not B. yarelli, but B. rutilus, however yarelli's can be found that far south so its not always true, but the pics of rutilus i've seen are chubbier, more orange in color, have a different skin, almost glossy, and are not as sleek looking... i guess their are eye and color differences as well, but i'm no expert

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Amazing collection. I can see why Rob might be a little jealous :D

Out of curiosity, what types of ATF's do you have? I swear I see 2 GATF's, but do I also see another? Looks like a BATF or VATF?

Also, what are the dimensions of your 400g? That thing looks awesome!
 
yeah its 3 GATF's and 1 VATF.... one of the goliaths has always been lighter colored and more slender, even his head is less tall, while the others are darker grey and seem to have a larger head, but they are all GATF's i'm pretty much positive....

the 400 is an ideal size for these fish, at this stage IMO, just wish it was 6 inches wider, but the dimensions are 10ft by 30 inches by 30 inches, the extra 2 ft of length really lets these guys swim

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The main diagnostic differences to tell the difference between Indian goonches and Thai goonches are the spots, stripes, the general and the shape of the eyes. Indian goonches all have round eyes. Rutilus, the type of Thai goonch that we have been seeing the past few months, have very bold stripes, few to no spots and oval eyes. Not to mention the thick body that more closely resembles a 'normal' catfish body plan than an Indian. The Bagarius from India will be more dorsovetrally compressed than a rutilus with indistinct stripes and very distinct "dalmatian like" spots. And round eyes.

Then there's the "Thai yarrelli" which is likely not a yarrelli at all but a different species that is not currently recongnized.

The relationships of the fish in this genus are interesting indeed and in need of revision. I am not (yet) qualified to perform a revision, but I have a pretty good grasp of what's going on in the genus.

I am presently preparing a post to explain the confusing relationships of the fish in this genus, of the same sort as the post that I did for ATF. I've been working on this for about a month now. The hold up has been correspondence with a very interesting and incredibly knowledgeable contributor who has provided me with insight and images for the article.

Stay tuned. ;)
 
Beautiful! how big is the tank and what are you feeding them?

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i try to keep the staple massivore pellets, but many of my dats refuse so i also feed freeze dried krill, and frozen sea food... tanks are a 10x2.5x2.5 and a 6x2x2.5

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The main diagnostic differences to tell the difference between Indian goonches and Thai goonches are the spots, stripes, the general and the shape of the eyes. Indian goonches all have round eyes. Rutilus, the type of Thai goonch that we have been seeing the past few months, have very bold stripes, few to no spots and oval eyes. Not to mention the thick body that more closely resembles a 'normal' catfish body plan than an Indian. The Bagarius from India will be more dorsovetrally compressed than a rutilus with indistinct stripes and very distinct "dalmatian like" spots. And round eyes.

Then there's the "Thai yarrelli" which is likely not a yarrelli at all but a different species that is not currently recongnized.

The relationships of the fish in this genus are interesting indeed and in need of revision. I am not (yet) qualified to perform a revision, but I have a pretty good grasp of what's going on in the genus.

I am presently preparing a post to explain the confusing relationships of the fish in this genus, of the same sort as the post that I did for ATF. I've been working on this for about a month now. The hold up has been correspondence with a very interesting and incredibly knowledgeable contributor who has provided me with insight and images for the article.

Stay tuned. ;)

Hope you can make the full diagonostic of a Bagarius Bagarius.
 
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