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Its sad to think everyday someone is breeding their dog for money. Forgetting that there are tons in the shelters. Everyone wants a puppy. I've read this story before... Hurts no less. Its also worse that people lose their homes and so do the animals.
Sadly we can't save them all. I think that hurts the worse. Not enough want to fight for their lives. Of course times are nothing like before.
As I wipe my tears I'm going to love on my dogs I rescued.
 
Brings a tear to the eye that story.
 
Good post.

This issue sickens me. Sadness turns into anger at the outright ignorance and carelessness of an industry and part of the population. Thankfully the issue has had exposure and i think in general people realize the problems. There are also a lot of issues with unethical shelters...specifically as an example right now the hempstead shelter in NY is under scrutiny for atrocities that are coming to light. And in some urban areas where i live some cities and towns are not giving volunteers the power to network dogs and get them adopted.

Knowledge is good and ignorance isn't bliss. On facebook i'm friends with and have liked a few animal rights pages. Now and then my news feed will have some disgusting act. Today it was a dog being thrown off a building in egypt. Thankfully with technology and social networking people can be caught, anywhere in the world.
 
darwinvsjesus;5073797; said:
The problem is, you can't be indifferent when you see that the dogs have consciousness, feelings, emotions. They love, they fear, they are individuals. Unless you yourself do the same work he has to do, I don't think it's fair to say.

If someone recognizes that they're killing an animal with those qualities than they're not cut out for the job, like an animal person such as yourself or I. If he is recognizing that stuff than he's not the man for the job, he should go work for mcdonalds or KFC. i guess this is getting off topic. and yes i agree if co2 euthanasia is not ethical and humane then steps should be taken to make it more ethical.
 
Heart wrenching.. mind twisting... torture to read... because you cannot just read it... you are there.. you can see them in your imagination...all types... big eyes.. scared.. i pray to god this stops someday.. just barbaric... getting the word out over and over ...makes all the difference.. because somewhere some dog was saved...one by one.. and of course the cats too.. all animals deserve to live.
 
I have so many opinions on the subject...I could write essays or a 20 page thesis on it. Very sad story...I do think things are changing, slowly but surely.

I am NOT a fan of some no kill shelters...but some of the kill shelters are truly ancient in their way of thinking. Everyone seems to be able to address the dog issue too..and forget the cats...cats are usually much worse off in shelters than dogs.
 
the vegan/animal rights issue astonishes me. I'm a vegan and very active in the animal rights movement around here. I'm also a recovering heroin addict. I quit smoking using electronic cigarettes. People always want info about my e-cig when I'm at my doctor's office [outpatient opioid dependance program] but whenever you say 'you know what's really healthy? a vegan diet' people just ignore me.

Some animals were meant to be eaten? I don't agree. The omnivorous diet is extremely unhealthy. Not because red meat is fatty. Not because of hormones or whatever else. Look at the rates of cancer among vegans. Vastly fewer vegans have cancer. [I'll dig up some research later...]


Why were some animals meant to be eaten? In asia, they believe dogs were meant to be eaten. In newfoundland, seals. In Japan, dolphin and whale. Here, it's cows, but in India this is deplorable. This is called cultural relativism. The problem is, all of these animals are sentient, they all feel pain, fear, sadness, loneliness, or happiness, etc. They are not volunteering their lives. We take them away. We take them away and we don't thank them. There is no dignity in humane slaughter. We take something that doesn't belong to us.

The thing you should consider is that:
1. When you think of a slaughterhouse, what's the picture in your head? Something quick, painless and merciful. You don't imagine the psychological terror these animals experience, or the fact that it's actually very slow and agonizing, and that they are fully almost always fully conscious at slaughter. Some of these animals are 'processed' while conscious.
2. When you yourself actually see a slaughter, you'll see that it's not what you think, and is utterly deplorable.
3. When you interact with domesticated cows, chickens, or pigs, you'll notice they no different than dogs, cats, hamsters, parakeets, finches, whatever. They respond to affection or discipline positively and negatively. They experience feelings, are self-aware, and think independently. The details of slaughterhouse conditions and the act of slaughter would probably astonish most of you.

Were some animals meant to be eaten? I challenge any of you to watch this film

It's called Earthlings. It's about our relationship to animals. It also demonstrates the link between abuse of companion animals and livestock. Most of you will ignore it. Many will say 'I don't want to see that peta propaganda'. This is cowardly. If you want to eat a cow, you should see how they are treated. The few who actually do watch it - I'd love to have a discussion about it.

On a lighter note, here's a trailer for a beautiful and moving documentary that you might find easier. I saw a lecture by farmer Brown and it was astonishing. You can see the animals rescued from slaughter actually celebrate because they understand they are safe. Babies reunited with their mothers. They know and remember each other and that is love.

Are some animals meant to be eaten?

Why do we love dogs, eat pigs, and wear cows?
 
darwinvsjesus;5116865; said:
the vegan/animal rights issue astonishes me. I'm a vegan and very active in the animal rights movement around here. I'm also a recovering heroin addict. I quit smoking using electronic cigarettes. People always want info about my e-cig when I'm at my doctor's office [outpatient opioid dependance program] but whenever you say 'you know what's really healthy? a vegan diet' people just ignore me.

Some animals were meant to be eaten? I don't agree. The omnivorous diet is extremely unhealthy. Not because red meat is fatty. Not because of hormones or whatever else. Look at the rates of cancer among vegans. Vastly fewer vegans have cancer. [I'll dig up some research later...]


Why were some animals meant to be eaten? In asia, they believe dogs were meant to be eaten. In newfoundland, seals. In Japan, dolphin and whale. Here, it's cows, but in India this is deplorable. This is called cultural relativism. The problem is, all of these animals are sentient, they all feel pain, fear, sadness, loneliness, or happiness, etc. They are not volunteering their lives. We take them away. We take them away and we don't thank them. There is no dignity in humane slaughter. We take something that doesn't belong to us.

The thing you should consider is that:
1. When you think of a slaughterhouse, what's the picture in your head? Something quick, painless and merciful. You don't imagine the psychological terror these animals experience, or the fact that it's actually very slow and agonizing, and that they are fully almost always fully conscious at slaughter. Some of these animals are 'processed' while conscious.
2. When you yourself actually see a slaughter, you'll see that it's not what you think, and is utterly deplorable.
3. When you interact with domesticated cows, chickens, or pigs, you'll notice they no different than dogs, cats, hamsters, parakeets, finches, whatever. They respond to affection or discipline positively and negatively. They experience feelings, are self-aware, and think independently. The details of slaughterhouse conditions and the act of slaughter would probably astonish most of you.

Were some animals meant to be eaten? I challenge any of you to watch this film

It's called Earthlings. It's about our relationship to animals. It also demonstrates the link between abuse of companion animals and livestock. Most of you will ignore it. Many will say 'I don't want to see that peta propaganda'. This is cowardly. If you want to eat a cow, you should see how they are treated. The few who actually do watch it - I'd love to have a discussion about it.

On a lighter note, here's a trailer for a beautiful and moving documentary that you might find easier. I saw a lecture by farmer Brown and it was astonishing. You can see the animals rescued from slaughter actually celebrate because they understand they are safe. Babies reunited with their mothers. They know and remember each other and that is love.

Are some animals meant to be eaten?

Why do we love dogs, eat pigs, and wear cows?
you wrote this so well...so thought out ... so moving to me... my total feelings on the subject but i could never express it as articulate as this was explained...keep up the good work..some might not listen .. but there is always that one who will...
 
darwinvsjesus;5116865; said:
the vegan/animal rights issue astonishes me. I'm a vegan and very active in the animal rights movement around here. I'm also a recovering heroin addict. I quit smoking using electronic cigarettes. People always want info about my e-cig when I'm at my doctor's office [outpatient opioid dependance program] but whenever you say 'you know what's really healthy? a vegan diet' people just ignore me.

Some animals were meant to be eaten? I don't agree. The omnivorous diet is extremely unhealthy. Not because red meat is fatty. Not because of hormones or whatever else. Look at the rates of cancer among vegans. Vastly fewer vegans have cancer. [I'll dig up some research later...]


Why were some animals meant to be eaten? In asia, they believe dogs were meant to be eaten. In newfoundland, seals. In Japan, dolphin and whale. Here, it's cows, but in India this is deplorable. This is called cultural relativism. The problem is, all of these animals are sentient, they all feel pain, fear, sadness, loneliness, or happiness, etc. They are not volunteering their lives. We take them away. We take them away and we don't thank them. There is no dignity in humane slaughter. We take something that doesn't belong to us.

The thing you should consider is that:
1. When you think of a slaughterhouse, what's the picture in your head? Something quick, painless and merciful. You don't imagine the psychological terror these animals experience, or the fact that it's actually very slow and agonizing, and that they are fully almost always fully conscious at slaughter. Some of these animals are 'processed' while conscious.
2. When you yourself actually see a slaughter, you'll see that it's not what you think, and is utterly deplorable.
3. When you interact with domesticated cows, chickens, or pigs, you'll notice they no different than dogs, cats, hamsters, parakeets, finches, whatever. They respond to affection or discipline positively and negatively. They experience feelings, are self-aware, and think independently. The details of slaughterhouse conditions and the act of slaughter would probably astonish most of you.

Were some animals meant to be eaten? I challenge any of you to watch this film

It's called Earthlings. It's about our relationship to animals. It also demonstrates the link between abuse of companion animals and livestock. Most of you will ignore it. Many will say 'I don't want to see that peta propaganda'. This is cowardly. If you want to eat a cow, you should see how they are treated. The few who actually do watch it - I'd love to have a discussion about it.

On a lighter note, here's a trailer for a beautiful and moving documentary that you might find easier. I saw a lecture by farmer Brown and it was astonishing. You can see the animals rescued from slaughter actually celebrate because they understand they are safe. Babies reunited with their mothers. They know and remember each other and that is love.

Are some animals meant to be eaten?

Why do we love dogs, eat pigs, and wear cows?


I understand the point you are trying to make but let me offer another view point for you.

I myself and a huge animal lover. I was initially going to go to college to become a vet but could not afford the tuition. Had to join the military and then life happened. However, I have always made sure to try to help any animal in need and have been very dedicated to ensure all the pets that I have are taken care of at the best quality possible.

However, I also grew up on a cattle ranch that also had chickens, sheep, cows, pigs, turkeys and all kinds of livestock. We butchered all of our animals ourselves and processed through our own butcher house. Though I see what you mean about "3. When you interact with domesticated cows, chickens, or pigs, you'll notice they no different than dogs, cats, hamsters, parakeets, finches, whatever. They respond to affection or discipline positively and negatively. They experience feelings, are self-aware, and think independently." I would tend to disagree. I have cleaned out pens, fed many animals and don't see the same domestication you are talking about.

All slaughterhouses are not the same, I'm not saying there aren't any out there like you speak of either.
 
JteSchertz;5117132; said:
I understand the point you are trying to make but let me offer another view point for you.

I myself and a huge animal lover. I was initially going to go to college to become a vet but could not afford the tuition. Had to join the military and then life happened. However, I have always made sure to try to help any animal in need and have been very dedicated to ensure all the pets that I have are taken care of at the best quality possible.

However, I also grew up on a cattle ranch that also had chickens, sheep, cows, pigs, turkeys and all kinds of livestock. We butchered all of our animals ourselves and processed through our own butcher house. Though I see what you mean about "3. When you interact with domesticated cows, chickens, or pigs, you'll notice they no different than dogs, cats, hamsters, parakeets, finches, whatever. They respond to affection or discipline positively and negatively. They experience feelings, are self-aware, and think independently." I would tend to disagree. I have cleaned out pens, fed many animals and don't see the same domestication you are talking about.

All slaughterhouses are not the same, I'm not saying there aren't any out there like you speak of either.
when i was a kid i raised 4 chickens up in my bedroom until they were ready to go outside.. they followed me everywhere.. and i trained them different hand signals etc for a treat.. they were very very smart.. they just don't get a chance to show you much on a farm.. they are in a pack.. i also raised a baby bull until he was 16 years old.. what a great guy he was.,.. he could lick you to death with affection... and i cannot forget my goat daisy mae... she was always in mischief and she knew she could make us laugh... so i think if you can take the time out to really raise a stock animal as a pet..their potential is a whole lot different then just milking and caring for them on a farm... not much time to get to really know their personalities on a farm and i quess that would be way to emotional anyway... but mainly it is hard work. and no time...Humans are the ones who put animals into catagories to make it justify what we do.
 
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