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[JteSchertz]

when i was a kid i raised 4 chickens up in my bedroom until they were ready to go outside.. they followed me everywhere.. and i trained them different hand signals etc for a treat.. they were very very smart.. they just don't get a chance to show you much on a farm.. they are in a pack.. i also raised a baby bull until he was 16 years old.. what a great guy he was.,.. he could lick you to death with affection... and i cannot forget my goat daisy mae... she was always in mischief and she knew she could make us laugh... so i think if you can take the time out to really raise a stock animal as a pet..their potential is a whole lot different then just milking and caring for them on a farm... not much time to get to really know their personalities... hard work..

I also raised many animals for programs like 4H and FFA. Months and months of hard work was poored into these animals(Rocky, Mesa, & Tex) to get them ready for the livestock shows. I agree that given the time that they will start to show the traits you are speaking of, but the mass amount of these animals are not pets, and are raised in such masses that there is neither the time nor manpower to put forth that effort.

Sorry for the thread derail, I just wanted to give a different view point and clarify that I was not just a mindless farm worker, and I didn't think of the animals as just food.

 

[Red Devil]

I also raised many animals for programs like 4H and FFA. Months and months of hard work was poored into these animals(Rocky, Mesa, & Tex) to get them ready for the livestock shows. I agree that given the time that they will start to show the traits you are speaking of, but the mass amount of these animals are not pets, and are raised in such masses that there is neither the time nor manpower to put forth that effort.

Sorry for the thread derail, I just wanted to give a different view point and clarify that I was not just a mindless farm worker, and I didn't think of the animals as just food.

I did not think of you that way at all... farmers are in my eyes the hardest most loyal proud people we still have in America... generations down they pass their work... i am sure many many farmers do not enjoy this part of the job.. i realize it is nessasary if you have live stock to cull and decide who goes to market when.... they need to do this to survive and make a living..

 

[chefjamesscott]

I for one will never agree with the vegan lifestyle, not so much for it's dietary regime. Rather, for the need that those who are part of it feel to make those of us who eat meat out to be equal to murderers.

I am a charter member of P.E.T.A. People Eating Tasty Animals!

Onto the subject of the linked article. I can identify with the person and what was written. As I read it, my rescue dog spike a chinese crested that we bought from a backyard breeder who was going to simply put him down because she had made her money came to mind. I full well agree that gassing animals should totally not be available.

Though I would highly recommend that the person who wrote that post from craigslist get himself a new job as fast as he can.

Why?

Well you see Hate is a very powerful and strange emotion. It is also very toxic and spiritually septic. I can see the author of that article either doing harm to himself or others on the day that he succumbs to the cracked and broken emotional state that is being forced on him by the job he does. Yet, he is there by choice so he is the maker of his own destiny.

I do not disagree that animals have intelligence, emotion and individuality. What I do disagree with is how our modern society seems bent on a tangent of placing animals on par with human beings. Sometimes to the point that certain fringe groups value animal life more than human life and showing this by their actions as they go on their crusade to rescue animals.

For those who feel the need to defend P.E.T.A. and come to their defence I offer you this web link http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ .

There is no disrepect meant to the OP by my post, rather I am simply proffering my thoughts on the thread in correspondence to posts which have been made.

I really feel it is reprehensible to see the way that living creatures are treated with no humane thoughts in process.

I do also feel that it is reprehensible the way that people on the other side of the fence feel the need to broad brush the industry with the same whitewash crusader paint that they rightfully can use to paint a picture of true offenders.

I am a hobby breeder of animals, though not a pet mill. For those who would think to malign me for this, so be it for such is your right. Yet, those who do such often do such because they view life through glasses that are stained and dirtied by the bad things they have encountered by what they have seen as a result of people who seem to have a dead soul in the way they treat animals. I would suggest those glasses be taken off and destroyed for not all who breed animals are a problem rather many are a solution.

When it comes to dogs, not everyone wants a rescue dog. It should be people's right to choose the kind of animal they wish to welcome to become a family member. Personally my dogs both present and past have been rescue or rehome, but, I do not malign people who wish to purchase the breed of their choice.

 

[darwinvsjesus]

I understand the point you are trying to make but let me offer another view point for you.

I myself and a huge animal lover. I was initially going to go to college to become a vet but could not afford the tuition. Had to join the military and then life happened. However, I have always made sure to try to help any animal in need and have been very dedicated to ensure all the pets that I have are taken care of at the best quality possible.

However, I also grew up on a cattle ranch that also had chickens, sheep, cows, pigs, turkeys and all kinds of livestock. We butchered all of our animals ourselves and processed through our own butcher house. Though I see what you mean about "3. When you interact with domesticated cows, chickens, or pigs, you'll notice they no different than dogs, cats, hamsters, parakeets, finches, whatever. They respond to affection or discipline positively and negatively. They experience feelings, are self-aware, and think independently." I would tend to disagree. I have cleaned out pens, fed many animals and don't see the same domestication you are talking about.

All slaughterhouses are not the same, I'm not saying there aren't any out there like you speak of either.

your personal investment in an activity has nothing to do with it being morally right or wrong. nope.

You didn't see the same affection because of the way the animals were treated. They know they are going to slaughter. They aren't happy crammed into pens. You probably saw that. Dogs in cages at puppy mills are the same way until they are rescued. Doesn't make it right.

 

[darwinvsjesus]

I for one will never agree with the vegan lifestyle, not so much for it's dietary regime. Rather, for the need that those who are part of it feel to make those of us who eat meat out to be equal to murderers.

I am a charter member of P.E.T.A. People Eating Tasty Animals!

Onto the subject of the linked article. I can identify with the person and what was written. As I read it, my rescue dog spike a chinese crested that we bought from a backyard breeder who was going to simply put him down because she had made her money came to mind. I full well agree that gassing animals should totally not be available.

Though I would highly recommend that the person who wrote that post from craigslist get himself a new job as fast as he can.

Why?

Well you see Hate is a very powerful and strange emotion. It is also very toxic and spiritually septic. I can see the author of that article either doing harm to himself or others on the day that he succumbs to the cracked and broken emotional state that is being forced on him by the job he does. Yet, he is there by choice so he is the maker of his own destiny.

I do not disagree that animals have intelligence, emotion and individuality. What I do disagree with is how our modern society seems bent on a tangent of placing animals on par with human beings. Sometimes to the point that certain fringe groups value animal life more than human life and showing this by their actions as they go on their crusade to rescue animals.

For those who feel the need to defend P.E.T.A. and come to their defence I offer you this web link http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ .

There is no disrepect meant to the OP by my post, rather I am simply proffering my thoughts on the thread in correspondence to posts which have been made.

I really feel it is reprehensible to see the way that living creatures are treated with no humane thoughts in process.

I do also feel that it is reprehensible the way that people on the other side of the fence feel the need to broad brush the industry with the same whitewash crusader paint that they rightfully can use to paint a picture of true offenders.

I am a hobby breeder of animals, though not a pet mill. For those who would think to malign me for this, so be it for such is your right. Yet, those who do such often do such because they view life through glasses that are stained and dirtied by the bad things they have encountered by what they have seen as a result of people who seem to have a dead soul in the way they treat animals. I would suggest those glasses be taken off and destroyed for not all who breed animals are a problem rather many are a solution.

When it comes to dogs, not everyone wants a rescue dog. It should be people's right to choose the kind of animal they wish to welcome to become a family member. Personally my dogs both present and past have been rescue or rehome, but, I do not malign people who wish to purchase the breed of their choice.

By the way, I absolutely hate peta and have no affiliation with them whatsoever. Pointing out that peta is a bad organization has nothing to do with the veracity of the problem I am describing.

Everyone talks about the rights of people and never the rights of animals. the fact is, they feel pain just the same way we do. They feel it and we cause it. You cause it by buying meat. It is murder. You aren't a murderer for eating meat, but you are just as guilty for supporting the industry. The fact is, people like you are uninformed and ignorant about what goes on in slaughterhouses and the horrendous health complications that arise from an omnivorous diet.

Cheese is always the hardest thing for people who commit to a vegan diet to give up. This is because cheese contains something called casomorphin. They are addicted to cheese because of the presence of opioids. And why don't people know this officially? why isn't it acknowledged by the dairy industry? because in the early 90s children were targeted with an unprecedented ad campaign forcing dairy upon them. This would result in the biggest lawsuit the agricultural industry has ever had. When Big Tobacco did this, there was public outcry. But targeting children with a food that is known to contain opioids is okay.

The truth is that the level of cruelty that goes on in the meat and dairy industry is deplorable and the health effects are absolutely undeniable.

Someone's personal investment in something is irrelevant. Most people are uninformed and refuse to inform themselves for no valid reason.

 

[chefjamesscott]

By the way, I absolutely hate peta and have no affiliation with them whatsoever. Pointing out that peta is a bad organization has nothing to do with the veracity of the problem I am describing.

Everyone talks about the rights of people and never the rights of animals. the fact is, they feel pain just the same way we do. They feel it and we cause it. You cause it by buying meat. It is murder. You aren't a murderer for eating meat, but you are just as guilty for supporting the industry. The fact is, people like you are uninformed and ignorant about what goes on in slaughterhouses and the horrendous health complications that arise from an omnivorous diet.

Cheese is always the hardest thing for people who commit to a vegan diet to give up. This is because cheese contains something called casomorphin. They are addicted to cheese because of the presence of opioids. And why don't people know this officially? why isn't it acknowledged by the dairy industry? because in the early 90s children were targeted with an unprecedented ad campaign forcing dairy upon them. This would result in the biggest lawsuit the agricultural industry has ever had. When Big Tobacco did this, there was public outcry. But targeting children with a food that is known to contain opioids is okay.

The truth is that the level of cruelty that goes on in the meat and dairy industry is deplorable and the health effects are absolutely undeniable.

Someone's personal investment in something is irrelevant. Most people are uninformed and refuse to inform themselves for no valid reason.

For the very sake of being obedient to the Terms Of Service and only for that reason I will not get into this with you!

Very simply if you wish to adhere to a certain philosophy and outlook of life ie:Meat is Murder such is your wish. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION CALLING PEOPLE UNIFORMED WHOM YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IS FOOLISHNESS TO THE CORE!

In case you had not noticed this is a fish forum and is not your place to push your personal bent on life.

 

[chefjamesscott]

One final comment to you OP.

The funny things about opinions is they are like certain piece of the human body and usually those who feel the need to look down on others who differ from that opinion usually push forth the same material that comes from that orfice except this time it comes from their mouth!

 

[WyldFya]

This is going down hill fast. Show some maturity in the future please. Just because someones view differ from yours does not make it wrong.

Closed.