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ninjastar;4068861; said:
so you have:
2 x Tiger Oscar (Astronotus ocellatus)
2 x Giant Danio (Perilampus aequipinnatus)
1 x Clown Loach (Chromobotia macracanthus)
2 x Common Pleco (Pterygoplichthys pardalis)
1 x Redhead Severum (Heros sp. Rotkeil)
2 x Jack Dempsey (Rocio octofasciatum)
1 x Cuban Cichlid (Nandopsis tetracanthus)
1 x Green Spotted Puffer (Tetraodon nigroviridis)
1 x Albino Cory (Corydoras aeneus)
1 x Pike Cichlid (Crenicichla sp. Xingu)
in a 100g tank?????
wow, filtration alone cannot save your tank. you need to seriously rethink your stock and research all their needs. if you do not rethink and remove a lot of that stock then you are going to have deaths and water quality issues for as long as its running.
where did you get the info to go stocking all these species in the same tank?
was it your lfs, another forum (no names), family friend?
its not just the amount.
for example:
*your puffer really needs high end brackish (salty) water. it also thrives in full marine (very salty) conditions. your other fish cannot. salt as in instant ocean salt. (info ive read on **************.com amongst other sites)
*your puffer is highly aggressive and can easily destroy your other fish because it has weaponry unlike the others. its teeth crack mollusc shell. from what ive read 1 to a tank.
*that cory needs to be in a group but you cannot house a group as your already fully stocked.
*that cory will probably not survive because the oscar will probably try and eat it.
*the cory may choke the attacking oscar and both fish can die.
*the clown loach really needs to be in a group. again, you cannot house a group of clowns because your already fully stocked.
*cuban cichlids can be quite aggressive. their aggression far out-weighs oscars and severums.
*common plecos are poop machines and they get extremely large.
*When the cichlids begin to get some size on them they will begin to fight. you will likely end up with 2 jacks and a cuban. then they will probably fight if what ive read on cubans is correct (experiences and profiles).
*your giant danio will probably become someones snack eventually.
*a 15g sump will eventually be too small and you will need to upgrade but even then without massive and regular waterchanges your going to have constant water quality issues.
****you really need to research your fish or you end up making massive mistakes like you have. from your wording in the post above your new to fishkeeping. most of us have made stupid errors in our first tanks with stocking and/or maintenance. they have said your overstocked because oscars grow very quickly and before long will need the 100g for themselves. most cichlids get to 6" very quickly and at less than 6" aggressive cichlids usually begin to show what they are capable of.
now for the hard bit. your going to have to decide which fish you really want, what you are able and can be bothered to care for, for example the puffer will need salt in its water at a specific salinity every water change and oscars/common plecos are poop powerhouses and you cant afford to skip a water change with them because they spoil water so quickly.
for example:
*your puffer really needs high end brackish (salty) water. it also thrives in full marine (very salty) conditions. your other fish cannot. salt as in instant ocean salt. (info ive read on **************.com amongst other sites)
*your puffer is highly aggressive and can easily destroy your other fish because it has weaponry unlike the others. its teeth crack mollusc shell. from what ive read 1 to a tank.
*that cory needs to be in a group but you cannot house a group as your already fully stocked.
*that cory will probably not survive because the oscar will probably try and eat it.
*the cory may choke the attacking oscar and both fish can die.
*the clown loach really needs to be in a group. again, you cannot house a group of clowns because your already fully stocked.
*cuban cichlids can be quite aggressive. their aggression far out-weighs oscars and severums.
*common plecos are poop machines and they get extremely large.
*When the cichlids begin to get some size on them they will begin to fight. you will likely end up with 2 jacks and a cuban. then they will probably fight if what ive read on cubans is correct (experiences and profiles).
*your giant danio will probably become someones snack eventually.
*a 15g sump will eventually be too small and you will need to upgrade but even then without massive and regular waterchanges your going to have constant water quality issues.
****you really need to research your fish or you end up making massive mistakes like you have. from your wording in the post above your new to fishkeeping. most of us have made stupid errors in our first tanks with stocking and/or maintenance. they have said your overstocked because oscars grow very quickly and before long will need the 100g for themselves. most cichlids get to 6" very quickly and at less than 6" aggressive cichlids usually begin to show what they are capable of.
now for the hard bit. your going to have to decide which fish you really want, what you are able and can be bothered to care for, for example the puffer will need salt in its water at a specific salinity every water change and oscars/common plecos are poop powerhouses and you cant afford to skip a water change with them because they spoil water so quickly.
cichlid2006;4071745; said:
X2 ... just an FYI.. the 2 Oscars alone would be a "full tank"
And though your fish are babies.. they will grow big.. fast..
TBH My advise is return them all.. or return a Vast majority of them. Keep 1 or 2 you "want" and get rid of the rest. Or you're likely to end up w/ no fish. May come across as harsh, or mean.. and thats not the intention. Just being honest about what you have.. and what you're likely dealing with. The puffer and clown loach imo should be the first to go.. The puffer for it's aggression.. the clown loach because they are the least hearty, I'm abit surprized you haven't lost it w/ the Nitrites.
Heres the real list and specs and estmate of the size.
Setup since march 13.
100gal
-magnum 350
-15gal sump with a 500gph pump
2 x Tiger Oscar (Astronotus ocellatus) 4-5in
2 x Giant Danio (Perilampus aequipinnatus) 2in
2 x Common Pleco (Pterygoplichthys pardalis) 5-6in
2 x Jack Dempsey (Rocio octofasciatum)2.5in
1 x Cuban Cichlid (Nandopsis tetracanthus)2.5in
1 x Green Spotted Puffer (Tetraodon nigroviridis)1.5in
1 x Pike Cichlid (Crenicichla sp. Xingu)4in
2 x Convict (Cryptoheros nigrofasciatus) 2.5in
1 x Albino Catfish 5-6in
1 x Red tail botia4in
Setup since march 13.
100gal
-magnum 350
-15gal sump with a 500gph pump
2 x Tiger Oscar (Astronotus ocellatus) 4-5in
2 x Giant Danio (Perilampus aequipinnatus) 2in
2 x Common Pleco (Pterygoplichthys pardalis) 5-6in
2 x Jack Dempsey (Rocio octofasciatum)2.5in
1 x Cuban Cichlid (Nandopsis tetracanthus)2.5in
1 x Green Spotted Puffer (Tetraodon nigroviridis)1.5in
1 x Pike Cichlid (Crenicichla sp. Xingu)4in
2 x Convict (Cryptoheros nigrofasciatus) 2.5in
1 x Albino Catfish 5-6in
1 x Red tail botia4in
ninjastar;4072606; said:
my comments still stand but with 2 exceptions, now you have a larger catfish instead of a cory and a red tail botia instead of the clown loach. the botia needs to be in a group too and your still way over stocked, if not more so because the catfish is no longer a 1" cory its a 6" catfish.
your going to have to get rid of fish and decide what you want and are capable of keeping. its that or the fish are going to decide for you, which is not very humane.
Fish do not have to be "fighting" for overstocking to be a problem...
An overstocked tank may produce waste faster than you or the ecosystem can take care of it... thus making all the fish suffer...
Also it is common for dominant fish to put excessive stress on weaker fish without ever striking a blow. Imagine being a little guy locked in a small bedroom with 7 other little guys and two bullies. Even if they don't beat the snot out of you you're probably going to be pretty miserable under their constant threat...
An overstocked tank may produce waste faster than you or the ecosystem can take care of it... thus making all the fish suffer...
Also it is common for dominant fish to put excessive stress on weaker fish without ever striking a blow. Imagine being a little guy locked in a small bedroom with 7 other little guys and two bullies. Even if they don't beat the snot out of you you're probably going to be pretty miserable under their constant threat...
But isnt it okay if their still small? Im planning to upgrade the tank in 6months? And when the 6months come my dad and I are going to build a 500gal tank.
Also If I add these as a media in my sump will it help out with the overload of waste and water control.
-Cheramic media
-Nitra-zorb
-active carbon
-ammo chips
Also If I add these as a media in my sump will it help out with the overload of waste and water control.
-Cheramic media
-Nitra-zorb
-active carbon
-ammo chips
