Best Builder Food for rays

[FireMedic]

Competitiveness, discussions and arguments aside:

The best approach to "building up" your ray is to offer a varied, healthy diet that mimics it's "natural diet" as closely as possible. No one food is any better then the others. A varied diet, patience and persistence will "build" your ray.

Respectfully,
FireMedic.

 

[DavidW]

Competitiveness, discussions and arguments aside:

Sadly it is too often about that, too much ego invested in opinions.
The rest of your post is right on the money too

 

[RD.]

the problem with all prepared foods is that they are stuffed with filler, cooked at extreme temperatures and UV sterilized, both of which destroy vitamins, minerals and amino acids.

The pellet I feed has no fillers, it's cooked at low temps, and isn't UV sterilized. Most pellet foods aren't processed at extreme temperatures, nor are they UV sterilized. Why would any manufacturer in their right mind process their food under such hostile conditions that amino acids would be destroyed? Some vitamin loss is inevitable, but can easily be added at pre-processing levels where this becomes a non concern.

Just an example as to how many vitamins are destroyed in a pellet food, even without factoring in any additional vitamin premix into the equation, the pellet that I feed contains 25 times the Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) content as your raw shrimp. That's just from the raw ingredients, and at post-processing. (after the pellet has been extruded)


The real problem in discussions such as this one is there's usually a few people that don't know **** from shinola about the subject at hand, but for whatever reason feel that they have to belittle those who have decided to take a different path in feeding their fish. T1karmann should be commended for keeping his rays in a healthy environment, one where they have grown well & have bred. You don't have to agree with his feeding method, but quite frankly you are in no position to question anything when it comes to supplying proper nutrition to a fish. You talk about ego invested in opinions, perhaps start by checking yours at the door.

 

[DavidW]

Pot meet kettle

 

[RD.]

Not quite, unlike you I actually know what I'm talking about.

 

[T1KARMANN]

The fact of the matter is I have grown 2 x trios of p14 from pup size to adult breeding size and both trios have had pups of there own

Now it has taken me 6-7 years of just feeding pellets to rays to get to this conclusion that just feeding pellets have no side effects on the rays as stated I have not cut open any of the rays fed just on pellets as all 6 of the rays are still alive and healthy

Everyone talks about a varied diet but as far as I'm concerned pellets are a varied diet much like dog or cat food being a complete food

Most people who don't feed pellets feed frozen food which also lose good thing when frozen

Most other people who keep other small fish feed flake or pellets and have done since fishkeeping began

What's the difference between a guppy keeper feeding flake food and a ray keeper feeding pellet

Feeding pellets is enough to keep rays in good health active and breeding what can be the harm in them

I have been feeding pellets now for 6-7 years with no issues if that isn't research I don't know what is

 

[DavidW]

Not quite, unlike you I actually know what I'm talking about.

cool, then supply some supporting data, something you have yet to do, and then explain why all the zoos and aquariums ( the professionals) provide their rays mixed diets.

 

[RD.]

But David, I'm not the one in the position to have to prove or disprove, anything. The stupid talk didn't originate with me. Hey, I know, why not just go back to this same discussion that took place 4 yrs ago between you & I, and pretend that your previous comments are all still there.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70985

FYI - plenty of professionals feed their fish pellet food exclusively. You obviously haven't been to many professional aquaculture facilities. I can't speak on behalf of why each facility does what it does. Also, I have never had any issues with those that feed fresh/frozen. See my previous comments from 4 yrs ago in the link above.

Either way what each & every facility world-wide does is not what this little discussion is about. It's about you talking out of your arse, again.

Links to nutrient profiles of raw shrimp which according to you "contains a ton of nutrients not available from pellets." Or "Fresh food is always going to be better than processed food for vitamin and amino acid content." (I already proved you wrong on that misguided logic). And when none of that works in your favour, you go for the knee jerk reaction, with the classic "the problem with all prepared foods is that they are stuffed with filler, cooked at extreme temperatures and UV sterilized, both of which destroy vitamins, minerals and amino acids. ".

I realize that you've been keeping rays for a long time, and I'm rather certain that you supply very good care to your fish, but a nutrition expert you ain't.

And for those concerned about fatty livers, fatty deposition of the liver can take place just as easily when feeding fresh/frozen, as it can from feeding pellets. A fat ray isn't a healthy ray, it's just a fat ray. Which is precisely why I recomended to the OP to go for steady even growth, over the long haul it's the healthiest way to raise all fish, including rays. This can be successfully accomplished feeding just pellets, just fresh/frozen (supplemented with vitamins/minerals) or a mixture of both.

I'm not going to keep going & round with you, David, just for your personal entertainment value. See the link above for any/all future comments on this subject.


Cheers!
Neil

 

[DavidW]

Neil, are you unable to comment without personal attacks just as you are unable to provide data to support your opinion?. Of course you have to be able to support your opinion, otherwise you are just another ....well...you know what they say about opinions right?
With each comment I have made in this thread I have provided a link to independent data, You, on the other hand have not.
Didn't we establish before that you are a shill for a food pellet company? You only ever comment in threads about pellet food. Otherwise how are you qualified?

 

[DavidW]

if that isn't research I don't know what is

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