Best gun for home defense?

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Out of curiosity, what's your opinion of the Hornady Critical Duty round, specifically the 9mm 135 grain +P I mentioned earlier? I ask since it's my round of choice; one of the reasons I chose it because its the only hollowpoint that I know of that passed the FBI's various barrier tests.

The reason it is effective is because of the ballistic tip. The reason most hollow points are garbage is both because as they enter the body, the tip is jammed with clothing and the round fails to penetrate to the vital organs, especially with winter clothes; and because it not unusual for them to expand to quickly and not do the desired damage.

With the ballistic tip that the Hornadys have, this is not as much of a problem. I have seen reports of the aggressive almost explosive expansion of these rounds making them occasionally fail to reach depth into a body, but that seems to be a minority of rounds.

If I carried hollow points, it would be these.
 
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I apologize if I may have came across short. That was not my intent. I should have explained my beliefs better in earlier posts.

I have very strong beliefs on this subject. I spent August 2010-August 2012 training Soldiers on these very concepts that most civilians can only read about in magazines and on the internet.
 
Wow the mistakes you have posted are mind boggling. I just....wow.....

There are tons of reliable hollow points that wont clog. The issues ur describing are all of yesteryear rounds. Hydrashok is an example of this. They clog quite regularly. Solid copper rounds will not. In fact most modern designs wont. Ranger Ts, winchester bonded, speer gold dot just to name a few. In 9mm these will not clog and all will reach the vitals. You will not find ANY reports of a 9mm ball not reaching vitals but you will find TONS of reports of it being a piss poor man stopper. The risk of over penetration with ball is incredibly high. If you shoot someone with ball ammo, 99% of the time it WILL over penetrate. And you are responcible for that.

If you want to carry a fmj at least get one with a large meplat.

Im not trying to be a douche but your advice is horrible and that fact that you suppossedly help teach a firearms class is upsetting to say the least. Your teaching on yesteryear tech dude.
 
Wow the mistakes you have posted are mind boggling. I just....wow.....

There are tons of reliable hollow points that wont clog. The issues ur describing are all of yesteryear rounds. Hydrashok is an example of this. They clog quite regularly. Solid copper rounds will not. In fact most modern designs wont. Ranger Ts, winchester bonded, speer gold dot just to name a few. In 9mm these will not clog and all will reach the vitals. You will not find ANY reports of a 9mm ball not reaching vitals but you will find TONS of reports of it being a piss poor man stopper. The risk of over penetration with ball is incredibly high. If you shoot someone with ball ammo, 99% of the time it WILL over penetrate. And you are responcible for that.

If you want to carry a fmj at least get one with a large meplat.

Im not trying to be a douche but your advice is horrible and that fact that you suppossedly help teach a firearms class is upsetting to say the least. Your teaching on yesteryear tech dude.

All we have to use is ball. We can't use hollowpoints. I will admit this affects my opinion very strongly.

I didn't teach a 'firearms class', I was a drill sergeant. I also have over 6,000 hours of range time plus practical experience. I taught the doctrine that my superiors told me to teach, and it is backed up with available data. Don't like military doctrine? I could care less, it works. The fact that 9mm is an ineffective killer is why we teach soldiers to shoot the enemy twice in the chest and once in the head, as I alluded to in my other post.

I also didn't advocate the use of 9mm ball for anything. I am a fan of .45 ball ammo, a proven man stopper. I did say that 9mm ball was a terrible round that doesn't kill effectively.

Please elaborate upon what 'mistakes' I have made and what data or experience you have to refute them. That isn't a dick statement, I would like to see your perspective as opposed to my experience and training. Does proper shot placement not make sense? Does practice not make sense? Do you refute the fact that an attacker nearly always breaks off an attack if they know their victim is armed? Do you refute the efficacy of a head shot? Am I not entitled to an opinion that differs from yours?

Also, I really can't understand your hangup on the over penetration. Any round has the risk of over penetrating, and taking any shot with any round without a clear line of fire is very foolish indeed.

I strongly suspect any discussions you and I will have will be like a Ford and Chevy person trying to convince each other that their truck is better. There is data to support both ideas, but at the end of the day shot placement and practice makes more of a difference than the type of round you use. I've already stated in previous posts that I have no problem with a quality JHP. I use JHP in all of my hunting rounds. I understand the point of it. My wife will carry it in her 9mm. However if you can present to me a good reason why putting a 230 grain .45 ball round into someone's head isn't a good stopper and technique, I'll certainly consider it. I'm not that stuck in my ways, I just use that which I am familiar with.
 
The fact that 9mm is an ineffective killer is why we teach soldiers to shoot the enemy twice in the chest and once in the head, as I alluded to in my other post.

Interesting and makes me wonder why the 9mm was chosen as the replacement for the .45....
 
When I was in the Army we had the .45 Model 1911. I love that weapon. I was never issued a 9mm but I fired one and there is no comparison between the two. Give me the .45 any day the .45 was like hitting someone in the chest with a sledge hammer.
 
Could be,especially the magazine capacity...But then,the 1911 type guns have low cap magazines and the military could have went with another type of gun.My Glock 21 is chambered in .45 and accepts magazines of ten and thirteen round capacities
Edit..this in response to Kev's post.
 
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