bichir foods

[screaminleeman]

I'm sorry Dr. Jesse Phd in everything fish related, I forgot that no matter what ALL feeders have disease and no matter what ALL fish will become aggressive when they eat them. For your information if you get feeder fish from a reliable source they have NO disease and NOT ALL fish will become aggressive if you feed them live. I have been feeding all my fish live for years and have never had a single aggression issue or issue with disease. Why don't you think about about all the possibilities before you attack someone about there suggestion. How long have you been in the hobby? exactly! I have been in the hobby longer than you have been alive my friend!! Why don't you focus on getting a job and paying off that huge water bill you are crying about!!! I'm truly sorry for derailing this thread but this guy seems to follow me around and bash everything I say so I'm just sticking up for myself against a little high school punk.

Not to pick on you or anything, but I just got three 5" - 6.5" Retropennis Bichirs and have them in a 40G growout with three Fl. Gar also 5" - 6" range. I had small Goldies in for the Gar to consume, and the largest of the three Bichirs also hit one of the feeder goldies. It died within a few days, as it looked preganent from swallowing the goldfish and NOT being able to pass the skull. I have NEVER had anything remotely like this from my Gars. They either can not swallow their prey, or if they somehow can swallow the prey, their insides are strong enough to either crush the bones of the feeder to pass through the digestive track or at least digest it quickly enough to pass the digestive track before death.

I quaranteen the "F" out of my feeders and nothing even remotely like paracitic infection.

 

[probassfisher010]

I'm sorry Dr. Jesse Phd in everything fish related, I forgot that no matter what ALL feeders have disease and no matter what ALL fish will become aggressive when they eat them. For your information if you get feeder fish from a reliable source they have NO disease and NOT ALL fish will become aggressive if you feed them live. I have been feeding all my fish live for years and have never had a single aggression issue or issue with disease. Why don't you think about about all the possibilities before you attack someone about there suggestion. How long have you been in the hobby? exactly! I have been in the hobby longer than you have been alive my friend!! Why don't you focus on getting a job and paying off that huge water bill you are crying about!!! I'm truly sorry for derailing this thread but this guy seems to follow me around and bash everything I say so I'm just sticking up for myself against a little high school punk.

You have the nerve to call me a "Phd," when it is in fact you who waved your degrees around in a previous thread....Also I would rather have 10 years of positive fish keeping then 30 years of misinformed, ignorant, and possibly fatal (to the fish) fishkeeping. And I didn't say all fish, I said his Senegal Bichir would. I have a 7-8" senegal currently being housed with a few dither 1" tiger barbs, and it doesn't even look at them...now tell me if you fed this said senegal goldfish all its life, it wouldn't view the tiger barbs as food? Also, I dont want to get into the nutritional debate with you, let alone the cost, ethics, disease introduction of feeding goldfish. But why would you feed a nutrionally lacking source with countless other drawbacks? And I do not follow you around, and I do not bash you, I go around the forums, like many others, pointing out unreasonable and uneducated posts. The fact that I continually talk about your posts may be a hint to yourself. Also, if it matters, Im in college, have a job, and not crying about my water bill? I simply asked for ways to cut down my water bill...

 

[Rayne]

Some people just will never be able to accept critisism very well, constructive or otherwise. They instead feel hurt that they could ever be wrong and will defend themselves to the death. Even if in the act it makes them look even more foolish and ignorant.

 

[screaminleeman]

You have the nerve to call me a "Phd," when it is in fact you who waved your degrees around in a previous thread....Also I would rather have 10 years of positive fish keeping then 30 years of misinformed, ignorant, and possibly fatal (to the fish) fishkeeping. And I didn't say all fish, I said his Senegal Bichir would. I have a 7-8" senegal currently being housed with a few dither 1" tiger barbs, and it doesn't even look at them...now tell me if you fed this said senegal goldfish all its life, it wouldn't view the tiger barbs as food? Also, I dont want to get into the nutritional debate with you, let alone the cost, ethics, disease introduction of feeding goldfish. But why would you feed a nutrionally lacking source with countless other drawbacks? And I do not follow you around, and I do not bash you, I go around the forums, like many others, pointing out unreasonable and uneducated posts. The fact that I continually talk about your posts may be a hint to yourself. Also, if it matters, Im in college, have a job, and not crying about my water bill? I simply asked for ways to cut down my water bill...

State and Local laws in your area I have no idea about. If it is legal within your "zone" than it is well (no pun intended) worth it to have a well dug on your property, shut off the city water supply and never pay another penny for your water for the rest of your life. The drilling itself will run about $2K. Plumbing, waterpump, electric etc. . . and you are still under $10K. At $700 savings per month equals $8,400/ year. The well will have paid for itself in one year and you now have the rest of your life savings.

Why do I believe that you are going to run into trouble with the California buerocracy on this?

 

[probassfisher010]

We have this organization called TRPA...we cant even expand our drive way, build a deck, build a shed, build a tree house, cut down trees...let alone drill a well haha...sorry for derailing the thread, but I think the OPs question has been answered so maybe lock the thread.

 

[scalesandfins]

market shrimp is what i go with when mine are being picky
also add some garlic. it will giv ethem the munchies lol

 

[Blink]

Not to pick on you or anything, but I just got three 5" - 6.5" Retropennis Bichirs and have them in a 40G growout with three Fl. Gar also 5" - 6" range. I had small Goldies in for the Gar to consume, and the largest of the three Bichirs also hit one of the feeder goldies. It died within a few days, as it looked preganent from swallowing the goldfish and NOT being able to pass the skull. I have NEVER had anything remotely like this from my Gars. They either can not swallow their prey, or if they somehow can swallow the prey, their insides are strong enough to either crush the bones of the feeder to pass through the digestive track or at least digest it quickly enough to pass the digestive track before death.

I quaranteen the "F" out of my feeders and nothing even remotely like paracitic infection.

I don't take this as you making fun of me at all. I am actually extremely glad that you posted your experiencing with feeding your bichir live. My gar loves the goldies, I have seen him take down 2 and 3 at a time and always wondered how the hell he passed them, He is a pig and a half!!...lol I personally have never had an issue with my guys eating live food but just hearing what happened with you I am going to switch him to talapia or something of that nature. Thank you for the heads up and I am sorry for you loss of the Bichir. I too quaranteen the hell out of my feeders, the LFS that I get them from does it for a week before selling them then I do it for another week just to be 100000% sure I will have no issues with them.

 

[Blink]

Some people just will never be able to accept critisism very well, constructive or otherwise. They instead feel hurt that they could ever be wrong and will defend themselves to the death. Even if in the act it makes them look even more foolish and ignorant.

Criticism is one thing which I can take both negative and positive trust me, What I will not stand for is being followed around on the forum and everything I say being bashed. Please put this issue to rest so we can get back to the topic of the thread,

Thank you

 

[screaminleeman]

I don't take this as you making fun of me at all. I am actually extremely glad that you posted your experiencing with feeding your bichir live. My gar loves the goldies, I have seen him take down 2 and 3 at a time and always wondered how the hell he passed them, He is a pig and a half!!...lol I personally have never had an issue with my guys eating live food but just hearing what happened with you I am going to switch him to talapia or something of that nature. Thank you for the heads up and I am sorry for you loss of the Bichir. I too quaranteen the hell out of my feeders, the LFS that I get them from does it for a week before selling them then I do it for another week just to be 100000% sure I will have no issues with them.

All of my Bichirs love cut market shrimp and fish and this makes for an excellent diet coupled with H.Q. pellet staple. I have not however completely sworn off live. I am simply using smaller minnows than the Gars in the tank "could potentially" eat now. The other two remaining Retro's will still occasionally pick off one, but not have the digestion issue. Plese make sure that you are careful to do the same thing with fish of shrimp chunks.

It may also be a Retro. issue and not an overall general Bichir issue. I have not had any other type of Bichir attempt to eat anything too large to digest. My Ornates are over a foot and take full shrimp without issue. All four of my albino senegals eat larger meat chunks without issue. All of the other Bichirs I have kept were in tanks with mates that were right on that "slightly too big" threshold to swallow, and none of them ever wasted the effort in an attempt. I would not stop what you are doing, only consider one additional factor when feeding your Bichirs live feeders, size. Above all never shortcut the quaranteen period and you Bichirs should suffer no ill effects from live.

 

[Blink]

All of my Bichirs love cut market shrimp and fish and this makes for an excellent diet coupled with H.Q. pellet staple. I have not however completely sworn off live. I am simply using smaller minnows than the Gars in the tank "could potentially" eat now. The other two remaining Retro's will still occasionally pick off one, but not have the digestion issue. Plese make sure that you are careful to do the same thing with fish of shrimp chunks.

It may also be a Retro. issue and not an overall general Bichir issue. I have not had any other type of Bichir attempt to eat anything too large to digest. My Ornates are over a foot and take full shrimp without issue. All four of my albino senegals eat larger meat chunks without issue. All of the other Bichirs I have kept were in tanks with mates that were right on that "slightly too big" threshold to swallow, and none of them ever wasted the effort in an attempt. I would not stop what you are doing, only consider one additional factor when feeding your Bichirs live feeders, size. Above all never shortcut the quaranteen period and you Bichirs should suffer no ill effects from live.

I may have lucked out with my Delhize, he has only gone after the medium and small feeders, I am going to see if he will eat pellets or market sea food. He probably will he is a pig...lol How do you keep the other fish from eating the shrimp? I don't want to get my entire tank hooked on them, that would be way too expensive...hahaha