in my 125 i've had many things grow over 30" ie 2 silver aro,2 rtc, 2 tsn, jardini, 2 red sh, and 1 cobra sh
Biggest Fish you will accomodate in your current tank
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Interesting reading. My analysis is that in the midst of sharing, one's actions were misunderstood. I am neutral.
Let's get back to topic.
I have too many tanks, and fish right now, don't know how many total gallons I have, and my biggest tank is a 330gallon glass tank. In my 330, I have 1 ocellaris, 1 ATF, 1 Silver Dat, 1 Thinbar, 1 Indo, 4 Pulchers, 1 Ornate, 1 Butterkoeferri, a pair of Festae, 1 flowerhorn(was a feeder), and a 14" sailfin pleco.
Is this tank too small for all of these fish?
IMO, this tank can house all of these fish. For life? I don't know. Because I don't know what the future holds. I don't know if the fish would survive that long due to circumstances i.e., power outage, accidents, etc...
Right now I feel I can house these fish. Might have to sell some in the future to someone who can accomodate, or find space for my 240g (8x2x2) sitting at the side of the house, empty.
Let's get back to topic.
I have too many tanks, and fish right now, don't know how many total gallons I have, and my biggest tank is a 330gallon glass tank. In my 330, I have 1 ocellaris, 1 ATF, 1 Silver Dat, 1 Thinbar, 1 Indo, 4 Pulchers, 1 Ornate, 1 Butterkoeferri, a pair of Festae, 1 flowerhorn(was a feeder), and a 14" sailfin pleco.
Is this tank too small for all of these fish?
IMO, this tank can house all of these fish. For life? I don't know. Because I don't know what the future holds. I don't know if the fish would survive that long due to circumstances i.e., power outage, accidents, etc...
Right now I feel I can house these fish. Might have to sell some in the future to someone who can accomodate, or find space for my 240g (8x2x2) sitting at the side of the house, empty.
Tell you what, send me your 240g, I'll set it up, put it on a webcam, and call it yours, heheh.
Either that just set it up out there with an eel, a couple bullheads and some yellow perch.
Either that just set it up out there with an eel, a couple bullheads and some yellow perch.
Howdy,
This is my last reply, I made my point and I am not enjoying this thread anymore. I bow out.
Some members made comments which I would like to address, though. After all, I am not weaseling out, I am bowing out.
Rays are born to dig and naturally cover themselves with a layer of sand. The lack of sand stresses the animal unnecessarily. What's the problem with a little sand?! If you cannot keep the water quality up in a tank without substrate, then it's time to re-think the filtration system. Maybe "condemn" was hard term, maybe "frown upon" is better. But we should not let our laziness dictate our hobby.
I don't care where people from the tropics move, and if they're cold in the North. They did it voluntarily and can wear a coat, whereas a fish doesn't have a choice.
Alfon 76 said there was no need to upgrade a 900 gal tank and I disagreed. If it is only a step in his development along with the growth of the fish, then I misunderstood his statement which, however, seemed very clear to me. (quote:"no need to upgrade anything for the arapaima")
I am starting the tank with a few gouramis and sword tails since they are little fish, with little contribution of organic waste to the system, especially in a 220 gal tank. Furthermore, I had them in two little tanks, which I added to the big one, i.e. water and filter media. It is not too much of a change for them. If I started with Pantodon right away, I would have a bigger protein input, which would make the establishment of a tank a little harder. This way, the swords and gouramis eat some algae and I only need to feed a limited amount. No, I think keeping gouramis and swords are just as much reponsibility as keeping other fish, I do not look down to them, nor do I look up at other fish (!!!)
I never gave away fish because they grew too big. I just didn't buy them. I keep the fish I purchase, give them the best home possible and try to breed them. As fugupuff stated earlier, that is the purpose of life: reproduction. You know that your fish feel (!) are as close to nature as it gets when your fish reproduce. I know swords are not a challenge. Other fish are (quite) more challenging. But this is my personal preference, and I by no means think everyone needs to breed what they keep.
Last but not least: I know how bettas live in the wild. You don't need to tell me how bettas live in the wild. But they only live in puddles during drought or when the rice fields are drained. Under optimal circumstances, they have more water than 100 ml. Otherwise, and I am sure fugupuff with this scientific mind understands it best, the gene pool would be pretty limited...
Have fun, I'm done,
HarleyK
ps
I've been a member for a month now, and it seems like my answers generally open a can of worms. I am still contemplating if you guys want to be among yourselves and not hear other opinions, or if that just applies to a few members of this forum. If you read my replies and think about them , you'll realize that they are based on common sense.
This is my last reply, I made my point and I am not enjoying this thread anymore. I bow out.
Some members made comments which I would like to address, though. After all, I am not weaseling out, I am bowing out.
Rays are born to dig and naturally cover themselves with a layer of sand. The lack of sand stresses the animal unnecessarily. What's the problem with a little sand?! If you cannot keep the water quality up in a tank without substrate, then it's time to re-think the filtration system. Maybe "condemn" was hard term, maybe "frown upon" is better. But we should not let our laziness dictate our hobby.
I don't care where people from the tropics move, and if they're cold in the North. They did it voluntarily and can wear a coat, whereas a fish doesn't have a choice.
Alfon 76 said there was no need to upgrade a 900 gal tank and I disagreed. If it is only a step in his development along with the growth of the fish, then I misunderstood his statement which, however, seemed very clear to me. (quote:"no need to upgrade anything for the arapaima")
I am starting the tank with a few gouramis and sword tails since they are little fish, with little contribution of organic waste to the system, especially in a 220 gal tank. Furthermore, I had them in two little tanks, which I added to the big one, i.e. water and filter media. It is not too much of a change for them. If I started with Pantodon right away, I would have a bigger protein input, which would make the establishment of a tank a little harder. This way, the swords and gouramis eat some algae and I only need to feed a limited amount. No, I think keeping gouramis and swords are just as much reponsibility as keeping other fish, I do not look down to them, nor do I look up at other fish (!!!)
I never gave away fish because they grew too big. I just didn't buy them. I keep the fish I purchase, give them the best home possible and try to breed them. As fugupuff stated earlier, that is the purpose of life: reproduction. You know that your fish feel (!) are as close to nature as it gets when your fish reproduce. I know swords are not a challenge. Other fish are (quite) more challenging. But this is my personal preference, and I by no means think everyone needs to breed what they keep.
Last but not least: I know how bettas live in the wild. You don't need to tell me how bettas live in the wild. But they only live in puddles during drought or when the rice fields are drained. Under optimal circumstances, they have more water than 100 ml. Otherwise, and I am sure fugupuff with this scientific mind understands it best, the gene pool would be pretty limited...
Have fun, I'm done,
HarleyK
ps
I've been a member for a month now, and it seems like my answers generally open a can of worms. I am still contemplating if you guys want to be among yourselves and not hear other opinions, or if that just applies to a few members of this forum. If you read my replies and think about them , you'll realize that they are based on common sense.
well said HarleyK, thanks for all your responses, sorry if it seemed a little personal at times, it wasn't. Thats the problem with internet talk, words without faces, missed points and emotions, draws to misunderstandings. Happy fish keeping pal. And Alfon76, I know he provides good care for his fish sparing nothing, and we'll leave it at that. We'll always have different opinions about certain issues, and we can agree to disagree.
My favorite tank now has the following, and its overcrowded, only 300 some gallons of water!
2 14" Lates Niloticus grows to 5 feet max
1 17" Lates calcarifer same as above
3 14,16,18" Epinephilus lanceolatus grows to what 8 feet?
4-5 12-16" Datnoid pulcher max at 24-30" Babies
1 13" Lutjanus argentimaculatus grows to 3 feet or so
What else should I add?
My favorite tank now has the following, and its overcrowded, only 300 some gallons of water!
2 14" Lates Niloticus grows to 5 feet max
1 17" Lates calcarifer same as above
3 14,16,18" Epinephilus lanceolatus grows to what 8 feet?
4-5 12-16" Datnoid pulcher max at 24-30" Babies
1 13" Lutjanus argentimaculatus grows to 3 feet or so
What else should I add?
HarleyK, sometimes you come across as a bit dogmatic, so do a lot of others. As fugupuff says there is a tendency on the faceless web to let courtesy fall aside.
You make well reasoned points and I am interested in your opinions. I don't always agree, an example is one of my favorite fish, the american eel, to breed them I would need a very strange tank.
I tend to stock my tanks with a far lower density than most fishkeepers now days but that is my preference.
Please stick around.
Fugupuff, what should you add? Neons and pristellas!
You make well reasoned points and I am interested in your opinions. I don't always agree, an example is one of my favorite fish, the american eel, to breed them I would need a very strange tank.
I tend to stock my tanks with a far lower density than most fishkeepers now days but that is my preference.
Please stick around.
Fugupuff, what should you add? Neons and pristellas!
Hello Guppy, thanks for being a very level headed moderator! Thanks for the suggestions on what I should add....how about some guppies.
On a side note, I have kept, numerous times, guppies with very very larger predators. Since they are so small and adaptable, they've dodged predation to the most part, and reproduce prolifically and help eat the little worms and scraps in the tank!
On a side note, I have kept, numerous times, guppies with very very larger predators. Since they are so small and adaptable, they've dodged predation to the most part, and reproduce prolifically and help eat the little worms and scraps in the tank!
HarleyK said:
I am not afraid of being controversial at times...Just don't muzzle me. Like what happened at another site where I posted something controversial, and when I wanted to address it, one of the admins muzzled me and did not want me to say anything anymore. I believe that if a controversy is raised by anyone, jokingly or seriously, it should be open for discussion, and that is merely what it is. A discussion, if we let it get the best of us, then we make it our problem.
Most discussions are best resolved by communications, and arguments, and if there is no resolve, let us not become enemies, but friends. I tell my kids and their friends, find and make friends, not enemies.
This is the best forum yet with educated Admins and Mods. But I am biased.
I have not kept aros but I have seen this in vids of wild fish and in a few tanks other people kept, BIG fish don't usually eat tiny fish so tiny fish often hang around big fish. I have seen clips of wild aros swimming in the flooded forests that had a whole school of tiny mixed tetras swimming right below it's head like pilot fish with large sharks. The fish that prey on little tetras avoid the big predators so the little ones flock to them. I was only partly joking about adding them to your tank because it does contain some fish that would eat them, but try adding a swarm of tiny bright tetras in with a 2+' aro or similar sized predator. It is a very striking image, especially in a room where the light source is the tank, a big rippling silver aro accompanied by it's own constellation of tiny living stars.
well, i am of the "school" of to each his own... i only "do" in my personal fishkeeping what i think is right.... yes, i have definite opions about such things but they are only my opinions afterall....
i do agree with harleys point about making a less than perceived "popular" comment and then getting "ganged up" upon... i too have only been a member for little more than a month and have noticed this as well at times....
i do agree with harleys point about making a less than perceived "popular" comment and then getting "ganged up" upon... i too have only been a member for little more than a month and have noticed this as well at times....
