Black Diamond... Black Diamond... Black Diamond

[csx4236]

but the fact that she could not tell you exact locations does that not make you think that she is thoerizing like everyone else?, you would think that if she has seen this with her own eyes then she would be able to give exact locations?

To be honest I did not really get into asking her about exsact locations? I was more imporessed with here pictures of wild BD's they collected. I did not expect her to give me GPS cordinates lol to the exact collection spot? I know she has collected them as she showed slide pictures of BD's they collected on her trips. And as for BD's being another species I think that is not true.

 

[Kevaldo]

To be honest I did not really get into asking her about exsact locations? I was more imporessed with here pictures of wild BD's they collected. I did not expect her to give me GPS cordinates lol to the exact collection spot? I know she has collected them as she showed slide pictures of BD's they collected on her trips. And as for BD's being another species I think that is not true.

so if they are collected in the same places as reg Leo's then why is there even a question mark over the location of them? i think i will sell my house and all my stuff and go back over there and map them properly a year should do it

 

[JD7.62]

There is no way BDs and leos are different species. Heck some people speculate there are natural hybrids of leo/hens even though they are found in two totally different river systems that baring a flood of epic poportions would never meet.

If BDs and leos were found in the same river system then why after tens or even hundreds of thousands of years have they not interbred enough to be one species?

 

[Mark Huveneers]

Hmmm...

Here is what I think:

- Black Diamonds are a variant of Leopoldis.

- They are not caught in the same part of the river as the classic 3-2-1 Leo.

- If the classic Leo is found in lacation A and way up or down river the Black Diamond are found in location R there will be "intermediate" variants of Leos between these locations. These intermediates can have traits of both variants and could be called lower grade Black Diamond or higher grade Leopoldi. ( Don't get me wrong, I love a clean beautiful big spotted 3-2-1 Leo and would prefer it over an ugly BD, but a top quality BD will just knock your socks off!)

- Breeding classic Leos will result in classic leo pups, I'm not saying there can never be a freak accident but that is not the way Black Diamonds are produced.

- In the past influences of nature, surroundings and circumstances, foods, waterquality and maybe some other ray species has reulted in these beatiful rays that we call Black Diamond Leopoldis.

Now let's enjoy them!

 

[csx4236]

I would believe a scientist from brazil who has spent there life studying and capturing these rays over anyone else who is just taking a guess by saying they are not collected in an area were regular leo are also found. Thats just my opinion.

 

[amazongirl]

I would believe a scientist from brazil who has spent there life studying and capturing these rays over anyone else who is just taking a guess by saying they are not collected in an area were regular leo are also found. Thats just my opinion.

I couldn't agree more.

The black diamond is called Sao Felix- Look on a detailed map of Brazil- you'll find Sao Felix de Xingu - it is on the Xingu River, the river the P leopoldi inhabits. Perhaps they collect from there because there tend to be more BD looking animals there, or that's the first place they saw them and they were named that. You can go to some countries and find a larger percentage of blue eyed blond haired individuals, doesn't mean they are Homo sapiens!

 

[csx4236]

Information from my exporter in brazil, He asked the fishermen were they collect BD's and was told. BD's can found all over in different concentrations some higher then others. Direct from the source.

 

[Mark Huveneers]

He Mike,

I have never been there, so I could be very wrong, it is just a combination of what I have heard and what I think myself.

But if the scientist is right, all the other people would have to be full of .... and threre are quite a lot of them!

 

[T1KARMANN]

I'm sorry but this is turning like a tiger/dat thread who cares what it is if you like it buy it if not walk away

you have many leos that look a little like BDs but are not
just like you have many IT that look like ST but are not for some crazy reason it seams to bother some people that the tigers they have are not ST

The same madness is happening hear

 

[African_Fever]

Just because the BD's and normal leo's are collected side by side and can interbreed doesn't necessarily mean they're the same species - they could easily be different species. There can be slight differences that the fish notice themselves, and that does keep them breeding true IN THE WILD. This happens in Lake Malawi and Tanganyika all the time - species that regularly hybridize/interbreed in captivity (producing viable offspring) live side by side but never/rarely cross in the wild (I've talked to the experts, and they haven't seen them). The females of the cichlids may look almost identical to the casual observer, but the fish know the differences and in the wild where there is choice they breed with only their own species. In captivity, you take away much of the choice, and it's the dominant male that often breeds with all the females. I don't think rays are any different.