Black Gravel
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My azul had very pronounced black bars in my 180g with black substrate. In my 450g he is pale, with light black bars. IMO, he looked better in my 180g. My temX has a lighter color green with better gold in my 450g, while he was too dark to show these colors in my 180g with black substrate. That is my EXPERIENCE, not just opinion, with cichla and dark substrate.
My experience with other fish, psittacus and dats specifically, has shown me that for them especially, the lighter the substrate the better.
Mjuniorc... I'm not steering him the wrong direction, I'm just trying to show him from my experience that the absolute type statements you're making are not always true. And me saying that darker substrate can sometimes darken the brighter colors of your pbass isn't something negative, it's just the truth as I have come to see it through my own experience. I'm not trying to say you or anyone else is wrong about anything. Just because I have a different opinion due to my experience doesn't mean that I'm trying to prove you wrong. And like I said, I don't like making absolute/blanket type statements regarding any kind of fish in most circumstances. This one included. It may make your fish look better even most of the time, but not ALL THE TIME.
My experience with other fish, psittacus and dats specifically, has shown me that for them especially, the lighter the substrate the better.
Mjuniorc... I'm not steering him the wrong direction, I'm just trying to show him from my experience that the absolute type statements you're making are not always true. And me saying that darker substrate can sometimes darken the brighter colors of your pbass isn't something negative, it's just the truth as I have come to see it through my own experience. I'm not trying to say you or anyone else is wrong about anything. Just because I have a different opinion due to my experience doesn't mean that I'm trying to prove you wrong. And like I said, I don't like making absolute/blanket type statements regarding any kind of fish in most circumstances. This one included. It may make your fish look better even most of the time, but not ALL THE TIME.
Doing water changes to rinse your sand isn't a good idea.. I would think you'd use WAY too much water and waste a lot of time.
I put mine in a 6' kiddie pool, put some water in it, then blew it around with a 950gph pump. Like I said though, my estes marine sand is large enough not to puff up too bad, and didn't damage the pump. Then I scooped it out and added it.
I put mine in a 6' kiddie pool, put some water in it, then blew it around with a 950gph pump. Like I said though, my estes marine sand is large enough not to puff up too bad, and didn't damage the pump. Then I scooped it out and added it.
mjuniorc;1454992; said:com'on help the guy with some POSITIVE INFO..
How is what I said negative????????
Danh;1455987; said:
I was think more along the lines of cleaning the sand, putting it in the newer, much bigger tank, then when siphonning water off at changes putting it in the new tank so that when it was time to transfer the fish I could top off the water, transfer filtration and heaters (Adding some of both) not using the old tank and being done...
Danh;1455987; said:
well bro,, not everyone has kiddie pools just layin around and a 950gph pump.... and if you read between the lines.... SLOWLY IS BETTER especially if he has to take out his old subtrate WHEN FISH IS ALREADY IN IT!!!! and then add the new.... this is not a brand new setup bro..... this tank is running with fish in it..... also if he has no where else to put the fish... by just adding it with no precautions there will be money lost!!!!!!
as far as me thinking you directing him in the wrong way... like i said before i love the knowledge you bring to the table.... but when certain people are tryin to encourage the guy to go with darker substrate.. to get better colors as he demands..... you cannot say.... IT COULD BE BAD......
that in very un-encouraging... and being very nieve..... all we can do is help.... as this forum MONSTERFISHKEEPERS... is there for!!!
and when you say all of that,,, all you could of said was IMO.... MY EXPIERIENCES.... so others will understand you more.... because that is your expierience... and yes you are correct when you say colors will be there for the most part....and be gone for a short while.. but having darker substrate helps them develop their performance in COLORS.... correct!!! or once again r you goin to shoot me down and say.... ABSOLUTELY WRONG again....
That's what I speak from, so I don't put it all of the time. I'm not being negative, I'm telling him that it MAY not have the affect everyone else here is telling him. Could be bad means that it's not 100% definitely a fact that when he adds dark colored substrate that his PEACOCK BASS will look in his or anyone's opinion better than they did before hand. Just because I'm saying that it may not be 100% the definitely always best thing to do, doesn't mean I'm attacking you or anyone else encouraging him to do anything.
If he was wanting to switch to a whisper 60 filter on a 90g tank and I say it may not be a good idea, would I be negative, no. Just adding my advice, just as everyone would be in whatever direction that may lead him. It's not neive, it simply another opinion.
You're right, I didn't notice his tank was stocked and he was changing the substrate. But that makes no difference as to my suggestion as how to clean the sand. A kiddie pool costs $5 or so at Walmart, if he doesn't have one, he could buy one for less than the cost of a 5g bucket. Is it wrong for me to suggest that?????
If it makes you feel better, I am wrong. I am a liar and I just trying to hell him he would be making a horrible mistake by not changing his substrate. You were right man. Feel better?
So gmornin.. If you want to put dark gravel or sand DO IT. All I am telling you is that it may not 100% for sure all of the time make your fish look better in your eyes. That's all. And I am also in no way saying that you would make them look worse 100% all of the time either.
Dark substrate doesn't help DEVELOPE colors... either... They make make the fish show their colors differently. But don't develope anything.. if you want to get really technical with it.
If he was wanting to switch to a whisper 60 filter on a 90g tank and I say it may not be a good idea, would I be negative, no. Just adding my advice, just as everyone would be in whatever direction that may lead him. It's not neive, it simply another opinion.
You're right, I didn't notice his tank was stocked and he was changing the substrate. But that makes no difference as to my suggestion as how to clean the sand. A kiddie pool costs $5 or so at Walmart, if he doesn't have one, he could buy one for less than the cost of a 5g bucket. Is it wrong for me to suggest that?????
If it makes you feel better, I am wrong. I am a liar and I just trying to hell him he would be making a horrible mistake by not changing his substrate. You were right man. Feel better?
So gmornin.. If you want to put dark gravel or sand DO IT. All I am telling you is that it may not 100% for sure all of the time make your fish look better in your eyes. That's all. And I am also in no way saying that you would make them look worse 100% all of the time either.
Dark substrate doesn't help DEVELOPE colors... either... They make make the fish show their colors differently. But don't develope anything.. if you want to get really technical with it.
