Black rays, hybrdization, and locations. P14, BD, leos, henleii

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http://books.google.com/books?id=RT...X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA784,M1
Page 784 - Section "Tributaries"


Found a great read on all 3 river tributaries in question.. and I must say JD7.62, that you were very correct in their isolation.. many bluffs, plateaus, gorges, and rapids along each river, especially towards the mouth.. However, there are other minor streams/rivers that branch out towards each other, especially near the southern tips of the Tapajos and Xingu.. and if these areas are to be considered 'flood plains' I could definitely see these minor tributaries branching out and crossing paths.. I could see migration occurring here, not at the amazon near the mouth of each individual river system..

Again, a single specimen isolated within an entire group of other specimens would be forced to hybridize and effect the entire gene pool for many years. A single rogue male Henlei could of effected a population of Leopoldi for YEARS and now hundreds of years later we see the minor side-effects of this rogue Henlei..

I believe that migration through the mouths of each river, after reading that, is near impossible unless they become completely flooded.. and my reasoning tells me that these 'gorges' and 'ravines' being carved out by the rivers would be the product of large amounts of rising, rushing waters flowing through them.. Perhaps a byproduct of heavy rainfall and draining of the 'flood plains', therefor they never really flood near the mouths of the rivers, but more to the south in the larger open areas?
 
so, idk if this is a good place to ask this, but I was just wondering(purely out of curiosity, not intent), if oscars and rays can be housed together, and if so, what size tank for what ratio?
 
Beun;2359023; said:
If your tank is large enough ;)

Can you be more specific? Thousands of gallons per ray???
 
DB junkie;2359012; said:
^ So if this is true you should be able to throw in a pair of pearls, a pair of Leos, and a pair of Marbles together in one pond and NO crossbreeding will happen ..... Correct????


That's the theory.. I think they choose mates based on what is more viable and appropriate for their needs.(Birthing capacity, hardiness, maturity, etc) I think that the most mature, dominant female would be chosen over a female of the same species. Natural selection.

Some ray keepers have a hard time breeding some species until they would throw in another species to stimulate breeding..
 
DB junkie;2359012; said:
^ So if this is true you should be able to throw in a pair of pearls, a pair of Leos, and a pair of Marbles together in one pond and NO crossbreeding will happen ..... Correct????

That is correct. Crossbreeding may happen if one of the pair can't breed, if not, they rather breed with their own.
 
Miles;2359038; said:
That's the theory.. I think they choose mates based on what is more viable and appropriate for their needs.(Birthing capacity, hardiness, maturity, etc) I think that the most mature, dominant female would be chosen over a female of the same species. Natural selection.

Some ray keepers have a hard time breeding some species until they would throw in another species to stimulate breeding..

Agreeable.
 
Just thought I would throw this out there..

There are no hybrid potamotrygon :D

Technically, a hybrid ray would be like an Antenna x Reticulata cross... so, Flowerhorns and Parrotfish are Hybrids.

Crossbreeding is the term we should use.. as they are all one species.

Ornamental Goldfish would fall under crossbreeding, not hybrids.. When they make a red-cap oranda bala shark, then they be hybrids.

Lots of crossbred potamotrygon :D
 
Rayfan;2359046; said:
Agreeable.

This is great news..... here I thought I had to worry about a Marble knocking up my Mantilla.... But since there is Marble males and females and only a single Mantilla (female) I no longer have to worry about her getting pregnant......

:headbang2

I'de like to hear what Mike has to say about this since he's actaully had the experience of hybrids.
 
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