Blood Parrot Creation Discussion - Midas x Synpilum

[Chrisplosion]

So I thought I would bring this into discussion as more info has come to light further cementing that it was a Midas/Red Devil and Synspilum used to create Blood Parrot and not a Severum.


So first we have an old pairing of Male Synspilum with a female Red Devil. Source



Here were the resulting fish.





Next we have a more recent pairing of Midas and a Synspilum. Source

Here were the resulting fish

[video=youtube;o2H8Sy8ycMk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2H8Sy8ycMk[/video]



Lastly we have an article from the Department of Zoology from the National University of Taiwan, Taiwan of course being where the fish originate from. They acknowledge that it was a Male Citrinellus (Midas) and a female Synspilum that create the fish originally. The article talks about water quality and the affect on the fish. (Thanks again Neil for link) Source

Red-parrot fish (male midas cichlid Cichlasoma citrinellum 3 female redhead cichlid C. synspilum) is one of the most important tropical fish in Taiwan.....The red-parrot fish were initially produced in a cross between male midas cichlids Cichlasoma citrinellum and female redhead cichlidsC. synspilum (also known in Taiwan as purple-red fire mouth fish) in Taipei, Taiwan, in 1989 (Konings 1989; The body colors of the fish vary from pinkish red to blood red, the body shape is somewhat truncated with a thick foreback (the back before dorsal fin), and the mouth is triangular and does not close.

 

[ice blue]

Nice post! Very informative:thumbup:

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[Azedenkae]

I would agree that it would seem the Midas x Synspilum cross is indeed used to create a Blood Parrot, or at least is the major 'player' in the breeding process.

Of course we cannot know for sure what else might have been used in the cross, or the exact percentages, but yeah based on all the experiments done and the results, would definitely seem that yeah, Midas x Synspilum is definitely used to create the cross.

 

[Chrisplosion]

I would agree that it would seem the Midas x Synspilum cross is indeed used to create a Blood Parrot, or at least is the major 'player' in the breeding process.

Of course we cannot know for sure what else might have been used in the cross, or the exact percentages, but yeah based on all the experiments done and the results, would definitely seem that yeah, Midas x Synspilum is definitely used to create the cross.

I honestly doubt it was anything other than the two, once you have a base to work with there is no need to add more. It all comes down to line breeding at that point.

 

[Azedenkae]

I honestly doubt it was anything other than the two, once you have a base to work with there is no need to add more. It all comes down to line breeding at that point.

I dun really lean one way or another, but fact is because we don't know, we can't be sure. Yes it could very well be that after the basic cross it was all just linebreeding, but no one can be absolutely sure unless they were involved in the original breeding themselves.

 

[RD.]

As Chris stated, in this cross once you have the base to work with there would be absolutely no reason to add anything else beyone the two parent species. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's not going to turn out to be a dog. The mystery is over.

 

[RD.]

BTW - the source for the researchers from the Department of Zoology, National University of Taiwan, was an article that Chen wrote that was published in the Taiwanese aquatic magazine, AquaLife, back in 1990. In 2004 it was published in Aquapets, and later translated to english & reprinted in the following link.

http://parrotcichlid.com/history


While there appears to be plenty of different crosses that have taken place with "parrot" fish in Taiwan & elsewhere over the years, the origin of the Blood Parrot cross seems to be a fairly straightforward one.

 

[Azedenkae]

Again, I'm just saying that we can't know for sure. It may look like an ant, walk like an ant, act like an ant, but holy crap it's a mimick spider.

 

[RD.]

And you are certainly welcome to that opinion.

 

[MN_Rebel]

To be fair, most F1 hybrids are sterile in the males and if you were add another species to the mix and you will get batch of random combos. But it's easy to produce F1 hybrids with two pure parent species than try to producing more parrots from parrots with limited ferility. Especially when the parrots are being produced in commerical masses for Walmart, Petco, Petsmart and the rest of LFS.