Box of Americans from Don Conkels (with pics)

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The ich on the Godmanni and Maculacauda seemed to clear up nice after 10 days at 85 degrees and Ick Guard crystals. I put them back in the main tank and the very next day almost all the other fish broke out with ich spots. So yesterday I put another heater in the big tank and it's up to 85 degrees now. I brought the water level down to 200 gallons so it splashes in real good and added a powerhead. So far I have added 80 table spoons of aquarium salt.

No signs of it yet on the Salvini in the 150 but they did arrive in the same bag as the Maculacauda so I'm nervous.
 
BadOscar;3658762; said:
The ich on the Godmanni and Maculacauda seemed to clear up nice after 10 days at 85 degrees and Ick Guard crystals. I put them back in the main tank and the very next day almost all the other fish broke out with ich spots. So yesterday I put another heater in the big tank and it's up to 85 degrees now. I brought the water level down to 200 gallons so it splashes in real good and added a powerhead. So far I have added 80 table spoons of aquarium salt.

No signs of it yet on the Salvini in the 150 but they did arrive in the same bag as the Maculacauda so I'm nervous.

Ick in large tanks is very frustrating. It seems to take twice as long to clear it up. Just keep treating. Fortunately you have some pretty tough fish that should have no trouble getting over it.
 
ugh, that sucks. Sorry.

Oh well, it should be gone in the next 7-10 days if you continue the treatment. Just be sure than when you do your water changes, you re-up the salt that you take out...ie: if you do a 50% change on 200 gallons, put the equivalent of the salt youd have in 100 gallons. Dont worry too much about over salting the tank either. Im sure its possible, but Ive never heard of it killing or doing damage to cichlids that anyone knew of.
 
Cool pictures Mojarraman, thanks for sharing. Be sure to tell Don that I am super happy with my fish and I really apreciate how good he treated me. I view the ich thing as not a big deal im sure I will get it cleared out. I feel real bad my thread seemed to have turned into to a lot of bad talk about him. Thanks for stepping in and clearing things up.
 
I got enough Ick Guard to treat with that several times also if needed. I'm a little worried about using it with my two plecos in there though.
 
cchhcc;3607812; said:
DC considers pond raised fish as "wild"

Utterly false.

Re-reading some of this, recognized somebody could be making it all up to get a rise or some strange thing - probably didn't merit any further response.

c ya much later.
 
Mojarra, what is the reason for treating a virus (lymph) with antibiotics, antifungals, and/or an anti-parasitic medication?

I know a little bit about fish, but any education you can provide would be appreciated.

Nice pics of you and Don (aren't you a selling agent for DCT?).......now how about some of fish!
 
BadOscar;3658797; said:
I got enough Ick Guard to treat with that several times also if needed. I'm a little worried about using it with my two plecos in there though.

You have alot of fish there now. The primary concern for infection is always the same for me: clean, fresh water. I have had ick on fish from retailers, wholesalers, and hobbyists. I think every time I got my water clean enough it went away. I used to salt/heat and ick-cure, either/both, and both worked, but so did just very clean water over time (a week?).

I could probably help you "work" your animals to some extent as the majority of them (I recall) I'm currently breeding, tho my regani are wild Rio Nachatal. There should be no problems IDing the fish over time, none whatsoever. I think you've ID'd them all correctly so far.

I'm going from memory, but if I recall, you plan on some sort of huge (400+ gallons?) community tank eventually? If that's so, you will need that much space (or more) to bring that many animals to maturity. Judging by the quantities in the bags, you will probably be eliminating several specimens over time in only 400 gallons. Bocourti males, for instance, can easily reach 16". To keep 1 male at 16" and 2 females (say 12") bocourti in a 180 gallon is about right. More might be possible but difficult. Of almost all the vieja/paratheraps (for instance) more than 6 animals at maturity in a 6' 180 is very difficult if not impossible.

2-3 Central American conspecific males (at 12"+ which is what almost all vieja/paratheraps males reach minimum if memory serves) at muturity is probably all a 6' tank will ever handle. A 7' tank will handle 3, and an 8' 4 (MAYBE). To do more than one species of 12"+ fish in a 6' tank requires fairly prudent selection, especially if breeding! To do more than 2 species of 12"+ is almost unheard of (for breeding I mean - and with BAGS of mixed-sex fish, breeding (or deaths) is inevitable with large CA's (which almost all yours are?) I'd bet you have no problem for a year or more, but sooner or later you'll need more big tanks and lots of 'em. Keeping (mid-sized) altifrons and/or rhytisma (for breeding) with other species of vieja may be extremely undesirable. They are too "sensitive" to keep with regani or argentia but I could be wrong. My (nine) 4" altifrons will go into a 6' tank by themselves come spring time, for instance. I have 8 wild regani at about 8-9" in a 210 and they will get a bigger unit by themselves in a few months...

Like I said, everything is fine for now but as the years go by you've got plans to double or quadruple or quintuple your tank spaces, right? I can't be sure about that "question." Extremely large CA community tanks are beyond my expertise (I have eight 6' glass units and 8 200+ gallon plastic units up to 1000 gallons but they are all species). SoCal (I think he goes by that?) does all the 265 community CA tanks I think? But are there more than 10 big animals in any tank?
 
Wanted to clarify something...breeding many of your animals in tanks as small as 55 gallons is quite POSSIBLE but possibly for only a period of time...say a year or two. That would be great for certain purposes. I did a bifas pair in a 58 gallon for 2 years, with say, 9-10 spawns. But that pair formed very young in a 125 and was immediately removed to the smaller tank. At about 10" the male was just too much for his girlfriend. The spawns ceased for six months so I decided I MUST relocate to a bigger 4' tank, which kinda worked for 6 months. Yet eventually, he reached 12" and they needed at least a 5' tank. Had I not eventually removed them both to a 6' tank (and introduced another female) I think he would have beat her to death sooner or later.

The bigger fish just keep getting bigger (over time) is just the general rule. There are some "unknowns" about community tanks (unknown to me but maybe not to others). I think there is some chance you could do all those fish in TWO 7' tanks but I'm PURELY guessing. I'd better guess THREE 7' tanks or FOUR-EIGHT 6' tanks. I'd love to hear from someone with experience (and photos) of that many Central Americans in community settings. I think (but am not sure) SoCal here or at **************** had like 6 260 gallon tanks or something in his garage. I know he was in southern cali for sure. seems like he was the go to guy on this type of thing. I'm curious about your long-term (3-4 year) plans on roughly 19 males (I think) that eventually reach between 10-16" after about roughly 4-5 years I suppose? Actually, the lyonsi/altifrons type fish arent the issue. It's the argentea/regani males that get really big and very territorial at 10" inches.
 
Probably shouldn't have got both guns blazin' but it was a long day...
 
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