Box of Americans from Don Conkels (with pics)

[jgentry]

Thanks for the reply (and yes, sorry Mr. Bad for the hijack!).

Since lymph is viral, I'd bet a lot of that cure is anecdotal evidence in nature. Viruses don't respond to antibiotics, and antifungals shouldn't affect it either. Perhaps they help in staving off secondary infections that are present along with the lymph (as a result of the fish being weakened by it).

It may be as simple as the stepped up water changes are just providing a better environment from which to recover from the lymph --- overall stress would be lessened too.

Sorry for the extended hijack badoscar, how the the ick coming along?

I agree completely with cchhcc on this. Lymph is a viral and the medications listed will treat the secondary infections and results of the virus. Viruses generally infects the weakest first so increased water changes and better overall health will no doubt stop the breakouts. Most healthy unstressed fish will not show the virus anyway. You cannot get rid of the virus with those treatments. You can get rid of the symptoms. Those fish and there offspring could still be inffected and just not showing the symptoms along with any other fish in the same filter system as the infected fish. The shipping process would definately be enough stress for a breakout and that could be why several people have CLAIMED (I have not seem it or ordered fish from DCT so this is only what I have heard which is hearsay unless the person is posting pictures and proof) that there fish break out with it from DCT orders. Lymph is not fatal with most healthy fish, treating secondary infections and clean water generally will stop the symptoms. The problem is that keeping any of these fish risks infecting all of your tanks. I don't take that information to mean the DCT has a lymph problem, only that Don has had success treating the symptoms of lymph with the above method.

I think the bigger issue is why are wild fish showing up covered up in it like Don has seen. Is it pollution? Is it stress from other cichlids being introduced?

 

[Danger_Chicken]

I'd love to hear from someone with experience (and photos) of that many Central Americans in community settings.

Check out Terd Ferguson. He has a 360 community mostly parachormis. He's on here and cichlid-forum.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257367

 

[Open Water Predator]

Check out Terd Ferguson. He has a 360 community mostly parachormis. He's on here and cichlid-forum.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257367

I also have a 360g (6'x4') community tank. Housing Amphilophus, Parachromis, etc... I think I have some threads on here and the 'other' site. Right now my camera is broken; doing this weird thing where it puts red on every shot. I'll start an update soon.

 

[BadOscar]

Sorry for the extended hijack badoscar, how the the ick coming along?

No problem at all. It's all very interesting.

Ich seems to look a little worse tonight. This is day 4 of treatment. Hopefully we will begin to see improvement tomorrow. In addition to the 80 tablespoons of salt already in there I added half the recommended dose (20 teaspoons) of Jungle Ich guard to the tank tonight. I have 2 Plecos in the tank so I didn't want to add a full dose.

Also, Bad, you've got to quit scolding your Oscar. They only respond to coddling.

Bad, how's the weather up in Maine? It's gradually getting colder here in Kansas (KC metro area) after a November mostly in the 50's-60's which was a wee bit warmer than normal.

All My Best To One And All,
Paul

Yes coddling, lol. As for the weather it has been unseasonably warm. Weather report seems to indicate things will change and we may get some snow this weekend. My plow truck is gassed up and I'm ready to get the skis out. So I say bring it on.

 

[Mojarraman]

Anecdotal of course. Or observed out of experience - what the exact mechanism to a cure happens to be may have to be determined by someone expert in treating aquatic pathogens? Obviously that wouldn't be DC. Anybody at the forum w/ those credentials? Ichthyologist and/or advanced aquatic biologist and/or microbiologist? Lymphocystus hasn't been a major problem for any hobbyist I've known. For those whom it has, or is, may want to research it.

Anyhow, DCT isn't the ONLY distributor who has shipped fish that have developed lymphocystus (or ick). At the risk of overstating the obvious, to "broadly associate lymphocystus w/ DCT" is naive at best and sheer stupidity at worst. Inevitably, those who collect enough wild animals would have or will have seen it there. I'll talk to Don again, and he'll repeat for me the genii and species, along w/ the collection points, and I'll post.

 

[Mojarraman]

Check out Terd Ferguson. He has a 360 community mostly parachormis. He's on here and cichlid-forum.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257367

Check out Terd Ferguson. He has a 360 community mostly parachormis. He's on here and cichlid-forum.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257367

Mr. Bad has 38 animals if I'm not mistaken and no piscevores, but I see about 10 in Ted's tank with possible pairs of freddys/motas/loisellei but hard for me to tell from the pics.

Bad mentioned a 2000 gallon tank which I think would be fabulous. Heck, I dunno. Ted's tank/animals look GREAT.

Still, I'm curious about this. Anybody else doing large CA community tank(s) with multiple (non-dwarf) species and multiple breeders? Not ponds, but glass; there's a gentleman, "SoCal" he may have gone by, who also had the capacity? A half dozen or so 260 gallon tank in his garage if I recall correctly? For instance, I'm doing eight 6' glass tanks but my argentea and regani are in 900 & 1000 gallon stock tanks for example.

Here's kinda what I mean. Bad, are we OK going w/ this? My 210's I consider "BIG." 260, "REALLY BIG," or 360 REALLY REALLY BIG. 400+, HUMONGOUS. 2000, ASTRONOMICAL!

I guess I'm still curious about 260 or 260+ glass tanks dedicated to CA's. Don told me of a guy in England, who lived in a castle, literally a castle, with like 6 500 gallon glass tanks, all on one wall, several dedicated to CA's. I could slap him for not getting pictures. Q: if you're going to do a real tank why wouldn't you at least consider doing real cichlids?

Sorry, I couldn't resist, so I asked this question on my local forum: "Kids spend thousands on video games. Adults (or overgrown kids) spend many thousands on motorcycles. Why, then, are so many hobbyists in the US unwilling to buy a tank bigger than a breadbasket?"

That question must have been taken as rhetorical, beings nobody responded. I'm not sure it further endeared me. Not winning any popularity contests to begin w/ LoL! Heck, what's the point of having fifty 30 gallon tanks and no bigs? "Lump 'em up!" would be my motto. It's almost comical (ask my g/f 'cause she gets a laugh out of it and she's impartial). Surely it's just a matter of preference. I'll never know. To each his own. Se la vie. Over and out.

 

[armac]

Anecdotal of course. Or observed out of experience - what the exact mechanism to a cure happens to be may have to be determined by someone expert in treating aquatic pathogens? Obviously that wouldn't be DC. Anybody at the forum w/ those credentials? Ichthyologist and/or advanced aquatic biologist and/or microbiologist? Lymphocystus hasn't been a major problem for any hobbyist I've known. For those whom it has, or is, may want to research it.

Anyhow, DCT isn't the ONLY distributor who has shipped fish that have developed lymphocystus (or ick). At the risk of overstating the obvious, to "broadly associate lymphocystus w/ DCT" is naive at best and sheer stupidity at worst. Inevitably, those who collect enough wild animals would have or will have seen it there. I'll talk to Don again, and he'll repeat for me the genii and species, along w/ the collection points, and I'll post.

Just curious Mojara, did you ever confirm or deny, you are a selling agent for DCT? We had a discussion here on vested interests and transparency the other day, this might be another situation like that, it needs to be clarified.

If you have a vested interest, your animated defense of DCT will be somewhat in question. If not, and you are a neutral bystander, then carry on.

 

[caribemob]

Just curious Mojara, did you ever confirm or deny, you are a selling agent for DCT? We had a discussion here on vested interests and transparency the other day, this might be another situation like that, it needs to be clarified.

If you have a vested interest, your animated defense of DCT will be somewhat in question. If not, and you are a neutral bystander, then carry on.

Just Curious reverse, are you in the Ken davis, Rapps, Mojo, Woodland fan club or do you just not like DC, it seems to me he has done more for the hobby then most, so why constantly bash threads were he is mentioned BRO? you only have F2 Dovii what can your concerns really be, save this to the real hobbyist that collect and research fish Bro, my LFS has your whole stock, so

 

[jgentry]

Mr. Bad has 38 animals if I'm not mistaken and no piscevores, but I see about 10 in Ted's tank with possible pairs of freddys/motas/loisellei but hard for me to tell from the pics.

Bad mentioned a 2000 gallon tank which I think would be fabulous. Heck, I dunno. Ted's tank/animals look GREAT.

Still, I'm curious about this. Anybody else doing large CA community tank(s) with multiple (non-dwarf) species and multiple breeders? Not ponds, but glass; there's a gentleman, "SoCal" he may have gone by, who also had the capacity? A half dozen or so 260 gallon tank in his garage if I recall correctly? For instance, I'm doing eight 6' glass tanks but my argentea and regani are in 900 & 1000 gallon stock tanks for example.

Here's kinda what I mean. Bad, are we OK going w/ this? My 210's I consider "BIG." 260, "REALLY BIG," or 360 REALLY REALLY BIG. 400+, HUMONGOUS. 2000, ASTRONOMICAL!

I guess I'm still curious about 260 or 260+ glass tanks dedicated to CA's. Don told me of a guy in England, who lived in a castle, literally a castle, with like 6 500 gallon glass tanks, all on one wall, several dedicated to CA's. I could slap him for not getting pictures. Q: if you're going to do a real tank why wouldn't you at least consider doing real cichlids?

Sorry, I couldn't resist, so I asked this question on my local forum: "Kids spend thousands on video games. Adults (or overgrown kids) spend many thousands on motorcycles. Why, then, are so many hobbyists in the US unwilling to buy a tank bigger than a breadbasket?"

That question must have been taken as rhetorical, beings nobody responded. I'm not sure it further endeared me. Not winning any popularity contests to begin w/ LoL! Heck, what's the point of having fifty 30 gallon tanks and no bigs? "Lump 'em up!" would be my motto. It's almost comical (ask my g/f 'cause she gets a laugh out of it and she's impartial). Surely it's just a matter of preference. I'll never know. To each his own. Se la vie. Over and out.

I do not know of anyone doing a tank that size just for large CA fish. There are several in the 300g-800g range on here. But nothing in the 2000g range that I know of. The only place I have seen tanks like that are at public aquariums. The public aquarium in Chattanooga Tennessee has a large several thousand gallon display with tons of Dovii, Jags, Freddies, Red Devils, Midas, and black belts. I'd be scared to guess how many were in there but it was a bunch. They all seemd in perfect health with no aggression either. Several fish were spawing or had fry in the back of the tank even with no aggression. Very impressive display.

As for the Lymph, I never once claimed the DCT had an issue and to be honest I do not have any of DCT's fish and have not personally seen any of there fish other then online. So my post has nothing to do with anything other then the suggested treatment. I simply stated that the treatment suggested cannot kill a virus. It will definately help with treat the secondary stuff and help the fish get over the outbreak. I do not pretend to know about any issues the DCT has nor am I suggesting that DCT even has any issues.

I would definately love to here more of Don's experience with wild fish having lymph. I'd love to here why he thinks they have it and if he feels that he is seeing it more often now or if he has always seen it.

Thanks for the info!!!

 

[armac]

Just Curious reverse, are you in the Ken davis, Rapps, Mojo, Woodland fan club or do you just not like DC, it seems to me he has done more for the hobby then most, so why constantly bash threads were he is mentioned BRO? you only have F2 Dovii what can your concerns really be, save this to the real hobbyist that collect and research fish Bro, my LFS has your whole stock, so

Forreal........................