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Dragon Hunter said:
Let me get this straight. If i lived in Florida and someone started a fight with me I can shoot to kill?
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This is true in most all states not just Florida. As long as you werent committing a crime to begin with, as an example, breaking into cars and the cars owner starts fighting with you, you have the right to protect yourself from grievous bodily harm and that includes deadly force as long as you did not start the fight.
 
Sure can. Free to stand your ground. Martin may have had just as much a right to resort to violence

Anyone listen to the 911 calls where someone is screaming for help, gun shot then no more screaming, not the sound of someone that has the upper hand in a physical altercation



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ballinouttacntrol said:
Sure can. Free to stand your ground. Martin may have had just as much a right to resort to violence

Very true if Zimmerman started the violence and I have said this all along.

Anyone listen to the 911 calls where someone is screaming for help, gun shot then no more screaming, not the sound of someone that has the upper hand in a physical altercation

Exactly because it was Martin with the upper hand on top of Zimmerman which is confirmed by an eyewitness and that is why he had to resort to firing his weapon. Of course like Ive said a million times Zimmerman may have started the altercation and then Martin got the upper hand and if thats the case Z is guilty of homicide though murder in the second degree I still think is a far reach.



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ballinouttacntrol said:
Sure can. Free to stand your ground. Martin may have had just as much a right to resort to violence

Anyone listen to the 911 calls where someone is screaming for help, gun shot then no more screaming, not the sound of someone that has the upper hand in a physical altercation



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You can hear it clear as day...kinda

[video=youtube;bCO1Av5KarI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCO1Av5KarI[/video]
 
JD7.62 said:
First of all he was not told to not follow Martin. He was told that the police didnt need him to. There is a difference but, and Im tired of using this word, its irrelevant because the dispatcher has no legal authority over Zimmerman.

Responsibility can be very subjective. I feel responsible to my family so my number one priority is to get home to them so no, I wouldnt have gotten out of my car. Heck, I wouldnt even stop to shoot a man clearly engaged in a heinous act on another human being unless perhaps it was a child. That is how I feel.

Perhaps Zimmerman felt his responsibility was the safety of his neighborhood and that is why he got out of his vehicle because he thought some one was up to no good. Luckily we are not forced by law to decide what to do or not do in this situation.

I am not trying to justify anyones actions. I want people to understand that it all boils down to WHO STARTED THE PHYSICAL ALTERCATION because that is what ultimately decides Zimmermans guilt or innocence. Martins age, the fact he was unarmed, the fact Zimmerman was a Neighborhood Watch Captain, the fact that the dispatcher told Z that they did not need him to pursue do not determine Zimmermans guilt or innocence.

The fact that I own guns and so does Zimmerman is no difference then the fact we both own cars. I do not have enough information to say how I feel about Zimmermans actions. If it comes out that Z was the first one to start the violence then I will be glad to see him sit in prison. If it turns out he has told the truth the entire time and Martin was the one that started the violence then I would be glad to see him set free.
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Well stated. I agree 100% this pretty

much says it all. Now let the courts decide the case!
 
Legally, I have to agree with JD, it seems clear from my understanding of law that whoever acted deadly-violent first is legally wrong.

BUT, call it whatever you want, moral-responsibility or mature-judgement... My personal feeling is that Z showed a serious lack of it. I believe he unnecessarily created a situation where a life was lost. Again, he may not have acted illegally, but by god he acted stupidly and against "advice" and in the end a young man is dead... There's no justice for that, no matter what happens in the end.
 
ballinouttacntrol said:
It's 72 degrees outside and I just saw a teen with a hoody on skateboarding. He looks suspicious. I'm gonna go follow him.
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LOL,I just saw this but as for the Z&M situation I will feel better about the whole thing once,or if it is ever revealed why he got out of his vehicle.
 
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