Breeding Ornates

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Worms....good idea. Will need to give that a go if I can get them small enough. Will have to check what is around. Suggestions?
 
nice! i wonder how old are they.
 
Live black worms are pretty small. They'll live on the bottom of the tank and won't pollute the water like frozen/dead foods will.
Live gammarus shrimp are also very small and will live on the bottom of the tank.
 
Just got some live black worms at lunch. Daphnia work well instead of brine shrimp nauplii, but good suggestion. Will let you know if they are eating.
I will have to check my notes at home, but the 4mm is only a few days old, the 2cm is probably about 2 weeks old. It also depends on what they were eating in the breeder tank. I feed the big guys massive carnivore pellets chopped in quarters. There is not much excess, but when I see evidence of spawning behavior I add a pinch of spectrum small fish food. Could be a small population of white worms in breeder tank as well, but I havn't seen it. Anyway, will try worms when off work. Speaking of......I need to get back to work. Thanks again for the comments.
 
Good comments. Thanks! For food, I have Spectrum New Life Small fish formula. But I offset with live Daphnia I collected from a horse trough and have kept going in a small tank, just in case I have some fry to feed. I have been experimenting for years on getting either my Ornates (Polypterus ornatipinnis) or Rope fish (Erpetoichthys calabaricus) to spawn. Sexing is important (no dah...but can be hard if you don't know what you are looking for). I have researched their environments in the wild and tried to simulate it the best I could. I still have not seen spawning acitivity with my ropes. But the defining moment with my ornates was when they grew over 12 inches. Size matters! My Ornates are over 5 years old and 15-16 inches. A technique I use is to let water quality go down a bit, skip a water change to simulate a dry season. Then do a 50% changea and feed them well, to simulate the rainy season (and usually their spawning times). Its been working with my Ornates.

So how do you sex them?


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Sexing Polypterus ornatipinnis. Sexing is pretty easy when the Ornates are larger (over 10 in). I have attached two pictures from AQUALOG: Polypterus; Flosselhechte - bichirs, by Frank Schafer (2004).

The first image is of a male. Take a look at the anal fin. The anal fin is large and "thick." The first spine of the anal fin is at least 1/2 the total length of the fin. The large fin is believed to assist in the act of copulation. The male uses this fin to cover the femail cloaca (like a dish) so that as the eggs emerge, they are fertilized.
Male.jpg

The anal fin of the female is much smaller.
Female.jpg

Hope this helps.

References:
- AQUALOG: Polypterus; Flosselhechte - bichirs, by Frank Schafer (2004)
- Jurassic Fishes, by Haruto Kodera, TFH Pub 1994 (originally published in Japanese by Marine Pub Co under title "Ancient Fishes" (1992)
- Ichthyol. Explor. Freshwatrs, Vol 9, No 4. pp 325-334, Dec 1998 (On the reproduction and early devleopment of Erpetoichthys calabaricus, Polypterus senegalus, and Polypterus ornatipinnis, by Ralf Britz and Peter Bartsch.

Female.jpg

Male.jpg
 
Sexing Polypterus ornatipinnis. Sexing is pretty easy when the Ornates are larger (over 10 in). I have attached two pictures from AQUALOG: Polypterus; Flosselhechte - bichirs, by Frank Schafer (2004).

The first image is of a male. Take a look at the anal fin. The anal fin is large and "thick." The first spine of the anal fin is at least 1/2 the total length of the fin. The large fin is believed to assist in the act of copulation. The male uses this fin to cover the femail cloaca (like a dish) so that as the eggs emerge, they are fertilized.
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The anal fin of the female is much smaller.
View attachment 876240

Hope this helps.

References:
- AQUALOG: Polypterus; Flosselhechte - bichirs, by Frank Schafer (2004)
- Jurassic Fishes, by Haruto Kodera, TFH Pub 1994 (originally published in Japanese by Marine Pub Co under title "Ancient Fishes" (1992)
- Ichthyol. Explor. Freshwatrs, Vol 9, No 4. pp 325-334, Dec 1998 (On the reproduction and early devleopment of Erpetoichthys calabaricus, Polypterus senegalus, and Polypterus ornatipinnis, by Ralf Britz and Peter Bartsch.

Thanks!


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