Can a Frontosa breed with a Convict
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I might be naive, but why would fish not be able to breed? That makes no sense. They are both freshwater fish. I could understand SW and FW, but a fish is a fish. That's like saying I cannot breed with a woman from Africa.Gage;1588224; said:
crashinc25;1697100; said:
Yes, you are being very naive
The term fish, or even freshwater fish is a VERY general term. It's more then one clade or class. Saying a fish is a fish, so it should be able to breed with each other is about like saying a land animal is a land animal, so it should be able to breed with each other. Can a reptile breed with a mamal, for example? What do you think?
Now human beings, where ever they are found on the planet, are the EXACT same species, so I can't see what this comparison is meant to show?
True, a convict and a Frontosa are in the very same family of fishes, no doubt: Cichlidae. But assuming the Gondwanian origin of cichlids to be true, as it is the prevailing theory for the distribution of cichlids today, Africa and SA have been seperated for over 130 million years. That's 130 million years of evolution seperating new world and old world cichlids!
Frontosa is a mouth brooder and a convict a substrate spawner. There is only one known case of crossing mouth brooder with substrate spawner. They were both Africans, closely related, belonging to the same tribe, Tilapinii. Tilapia zilli X Oreochromis mosambicus. This was aceived in a TEST TUBE!
Now convicts and frontosa are not only not in the same tribe, they are not even classified in the same subfamily. As far as I know, there is no known case of crossing new world with old world cichlid. Impossible? Probably, but definately very unlikely (even in a test tube). More then likely, too genetically distinct.
I can think of a couple of jokes related to mouth use and cross-breeding, but I'll leave that for another forum. I guess I'm just looking at fish as a species, just like humans as a species.
We split from the ape/monkey path and are our own distinct species. Maybe I am just not seeing that fish are from different species as well although I do believe this is a subspecies issue, not a species issue. I always read people asking which species of fish, but isn't it really what sub-species?
Talking about crossing a mouth brooder with substrate spawner has nothing to do with conceiving. They both spawn in the same basic fashion. Milt on eggs. Naive again? probably.
We split from the ape/monkey path and are our own distinct species. Maybe I am just not seeing that fish are from different species as well although I do believe this is a subspecies issue, not a species issue. I always read people asking which species of fish, but isn't it really what sub-species?
Talking about crossing a mouth brooder with substrate spawner has nothing to do with conceiving. They both spawn in the same basic fashion. Milt on eggs. Naive again? probably.
they just cant, i dunno why the hell not, they just arent able to.crashinc25;1697100; said:
so by you saying a freshwater fish is a freshwater fish, are you implying a tetra can breed with a cichlid... NO, they cannot, so a freshwater fish is not just a freshwater fish, they cant all breed together.
i dont know the science behind it, but no african cichlid can breed with an american cichlid, even if they were both substrate spawners, it just doesnt work that way.
all i know is an african cichlid and an american cichlid are just way to genetically different.
you cant really compare it to people, cause if im not mistaken, are people not all the same species? whether they are african or american or anything, we are all the same species, where as these fish are not.
