Can a Frontosa breed with a Convict

[crashinc25]

Talking about cross breeding. Read this
"Lately I’ve seen advertisements on the internet for a catfish that is being sold as a hybrid between the red tailed catfish Phractocephalus hemioliopterus and the tiger shovelnose Pseudoplatystoma fasciata. Since these are separate genera and neither is commercially raised, it is doubtful that these are actually hybrids, but merely an unidentified species (although recent information indicates that they may be developed through artificial insemination, stripping the parents of gametes and mixing them)."
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Thurston_Hybrids.html

 

[pcfriedrich]

I might be naive, but why would fish not be able to breed? That makes no sense. They are both freshwater fish. I could understand SW and FW, but a fish is a fish. That's like saying I cannot breed with a woman from Africa.

They might both be fish, but they are different species.

you could breed with a human woman from africa. but even we are both apes, you couldn't breed with a gorilla.

 

[crashinc25]

Think I'll keep my head out of genetics. Seems way too involved.
Gotta go give my chimpanzee baby a bottle.

 

[bigcichntwisted]

8 maybe 9 inch, I just can not get over how much they like each other

Dude it's like "cell mate" syndrome, not uncommon at all, they're just makin the best of things (be happy the front isn't tryin to kill the con). Example, raise a tank of all male Africans long enough & you will see some very "friendly" things go on, promise, happens all the time. Turn down the lights & give them some privacy, just make sure the camera is on, lol, hello youtub*.

 

[BC in SK]

Talking about cross breeding. Read this
"Lately I’ve seen advertisements on the internet for a catfish that is being sold as a hybrid between the red tailed catfish Phractocephalus hemioliopterus and the tiger shovelnose Pseudoplatystoma fasciata. Since these are separate genera and neither is commercially raised, it is doubtful that these are actually hybrids, but merely an unidentified species (although recent information indicates that they may be developed through artificial insemination, stripping the parents of gametes and mixing them)."
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Thurston_Hybrids.html

What's your point here?

Everybody knows that fishes of different genera, especially cichlids, can hybirdize. Especially in captivity.

But show me an example of crossing cichlids from seperate tribes or subfamilies? For example, pretty much any lake malawi cichlid can be crossed. But Haplochromises, mbuna, and peacocks are ALL Haplochrominii. Same tribe, with only thousands of years seperating them from a common ancestor.

Bottom line is their are limits to what can be crossed. They have to be genetically similar enough. Around 130 million years sperates new world from old world cichlid; that's a long time considering that cichlids are thought to evolve and change rather rapidly. To put things in perspective, only 5-8 million years is thought to sperarte humans from chimpanzees. I'm pretty sure these two can not be crossed.

Now as far as an exception to crossing cichlids of different subfamilies, there is an example of Paratheraps synspilum X "Geophagus" brasiliensis. However, pretty much everyone has always known that a "G". brasiliensis (SA cichlid)
was not a real Geophagus and only superficially resembles a Geophagus, just like a Thorichthys or Astatoheros species does. Fishes that make their living in a similar fashion but are not that closely related. It was suspected by many that they were closer to CA Heroine, and that a cross is possible with a CA cichlid is simply evidence for it.

Pretty much any genes can be mixed through genetic engineering; even plant and animal genes can be mixed. But that is a different method; different then mixing genes from simply, sexual reproduction. Even crosses of fairly closely related species, for example some crosses of Oreochromis species, can produce offspring of only one sex or sterile offspring.

 

[Gage]

even plant and animal genes can be mixed

well hell, look at those so called "Glow fish" they have actually put the genes of coral and jellyfish in them to get that intense pink or green.

 

[crashinc25]

Everybody knows that fishes of different genera, especially cichlids, can hybirdize. Especially in captivity.

Everyone, huh? Thanks for the lesson.

 

[tropheus]

the rtc /tsn is man made cross from fish farms they are sold as food fish , its just that a small amount reach the aquarium trade

 

[kay-bee]

...They have to be genetically similar enough...

That is the requirement.

Both the convict and frontosa belong to the Family Cichlidae but belong to significantly different genera.