Can anyone compare the FX5 to the eheim 2262?

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"When it comes to large capacities, usually that includes lower restriction. The 2262 cross section surface area is larger which could reduce restriction. So this would not be a reason why the 2262 has a lower flow rate. I could be that the filter is designed for the lower flow pumps and putting the 2262 pump on might just be more about marketing instead of function." quote by Jgray 152

Interesting. I really like the eheims build quality and reputation, but I could almost buy four fx5's for the price of two 2262's with media packs. Might just boost the bio in my sump and use a pair of fx5's for mech and water movement. Fascinating thread to say the least.
 
I think your last idea is a good one Jc1119. I don't have a sump on my 8x2x2, so I went for the 2260's, due to their huge biofiltration capacity.

I am happy with the flow provided by my Eheims, and I have no idea what flow rate it actually is, because I have no interest in measuring it. Nor do I care. I can see with my own eyes the circulation that is being provided to the tank, and testing water parameters shows the quality is fine, so I can say they do a great job in my particular case. I also know a lot of people who swear by the Fluval. I don't think you'd go wrong with either choice, but with your existing sump you may as well save the money and go for the less expensive Fluval over the Eheim :)

Cheers,
Nige
 
noyakfat;4772349; said:
I think your last idea is a good one Jc1119. I don't have a sump on my 8x2x2, so I went for the 2260's, due to their huge biofiltration capacity.

I am happy with the flow provided by my Eheims, and I have no idea what flow rate it actually is, because I have no interest in measuring it. Nor do I care. I can see with my own eyes the circulation that is being provided to the tank, and testing water parameters shows the quality is fine, so I can say they do a great job in my particular case. I also know a lot of people who swear by the Fluval. I don't think you'd go wrong with either choice, but with your existing sump you may as well save the money and go for the less expensive Fluval over the Eheim :)

Cheers,
Nige

Yeah the more I consider the price the more I think it's the way to go( for me) As much as I love having extra bio, a75 gallon sump should provide enough. 2 FX5's would cost just a little more to run than 1 2262. Not knocking the eheim, I just think the fluval would be better suited for my system, plus providing much more flow and mech.
 
Jgray152;4772095; said:
When it comes to large capacities, usually that includes lower restriction. The 2262 cross section surface area is larger which could reduce restriction. So this would not be a reason why the 2262 has a lower flow rate. I could be that the filter is designed for the lower flow pumps and putting the 2262 pump on might just be more about marketing instead of function.



Go ahead and buy a 1200 gph pump and put it on the 2250 or 2260. I bet you won't get more than 500 gph. The filter canister will be the restriction at that point.


I don't need to do this on the Fx5. The more flow you add to a canister filter, the faster it will clog up. If you were ACTUALLY able to double the flow of the 2250/2260 you would clog up twice as fast.


Why do they need another one?

This goes true for all canister filter.

Ehiems do have all that. BTW, my Fx5 has been running for years. Usually goes about 6 months before cleaning. Reliable, low maintenance and good.

This is a good tread and i like to respond to your quote.
Firts, i had swap pumps on my eheim 2250 canister, this unit holds 12 litres of media and comes with a 1250 pump rated a 320gph, the change was a 1260 eheim pump rated over 600 gallon, twice the flow and i tell you, i did not loose as much flow as you said, instead i gain considerable amount, but i have to be honest and say that it clog more frequently; but its not a every month service, the 2250 its pack with eheim mech and bio pro.

Now if i want to go 1200gph on my 2262 i will have to repack this canister, give away one of the best biomedia eheim pro, and get 10 or 5 PPi sponges so i cut get some crazy flow, do i want to do that?.. no, of course not, why would i mess with a perfectly well done well balance canister.

I had done some experiments with ocean clear nuclear canister, you can go up to 1700 gph on them. I have to ocean clear they are connected to one pump, I try first a panworld 150px this pump its a 1200 gph at 28 ft of pressure it was so much flow that i had to take the pump down, not to mention i was hard to cultivate bacteria,I replaced it with a 100px at 800gph at 21 ft of pressure, this is a 220 gallon tank, over stock. When usign this type of filtraion i like to run two units in line, the first a 25 microm cartrige fallow by the second full of eheim biomedia. Using the firt pump (150px) did not loose any flow and i did not clog to the point of getting 500 gph, so what i want to say its not about some crazy flow, its about balance and thats what you get with eheim canisters, well balance well made and a very, very long time of service with minimum cost, eheim 2213 almost 20 years, 2260 15 years.

Now your fx5 the same one i had, to me it just a big bucket fill with sponges, the amount of media you can use its no match, my 2028 takes more media then the fx5, and i did the comparison filling the 2028 and dump it on the fx5, i had some extra media, also you said you service your fx5 every 6 months, i don't know what you have in it, but on mine i had eheim mech in one tray and the other two trays eheim bio with one layer of a pad, it will clog so quick that you have to do maintance so often that i got sick of doing that , i don't know what it is, if the surface area area its too small to use polishing pads, or it just a bad design.

If you don't believe what I'm saying take a poll how often you service the fx5, and see whats the answer, and what up with the micro bubles thing.

Finally, i have to say fluval don't have to make another big canister.. Why?they can make a good one, so thats why probably they went with the g6, instead of maybe fixing the flaws with the fx5. The g6 has way less flow, and i read problems with cloging with the init as well.

So in few words as much you want to tell me fx5 its equal or superior to the 2262, I say again no way jose, media capacity, different medias you can use, flow and mantaining the flow for a long period of time, well reserch done witth the eheims.
 
This is a good tread and i like to respond to your quote.
Firts, i had swap pumps on my eheim 2250 canister, this unit holds 12 litres of media and comes with a 1250 pump rated a 320gph, the change was a 1260 eheim pump rated over 600 gallon, twice the flow and i tell you, i did not loose as much flow as you said, instead i gain considerable amount,
You used a 600 GPH pump but did you get 600 gph from it?


but i have to be honest and say that it clog more frequently; but its not a every month service, the 2250 its pack with eheim mech and bio pro.
I would hate a filter that clogs up every month. lol. Used to happen with my 304 and rena xp4 filter. The fx5 without polishing pads can go months without cleaning.

Now if i want to go 1200gph on my 2262 i will have to repack this canister, give away one of the best biomedia eheim pro, and get 10 or 5 PPi sponges so i cut get some crazy flow, do i want to do that?.. no, of course not, why would i mess with a perfectly well done well balance canister.

The media may not be the restriction when you want that much flow in a canister that originally had a flow of less than 350 gph. Maybe Eheim was smart about this and made the filter able to flow that high, but I bet the canister itself will be the restriction and not the media.

I had done some experiments with ocean clear nuclear canister, you can go up to 1700 gph on them. I have to ocean clear they are connected to one pump, I try first a panworld 150px this pump its a 1200 gph at 28 ft of pressure it was so much flow that i had to take the pump down, not to mention i was hard to cultivate bacteria,I replaced it with a 100px at 800gph at 21 ft of pressure, this is a 220 gallon tank, over stock. When usign this type of filtraion i like to run two units in line, the first a 25 microm cartrige fallow by the second full of eheim biomedia. Using the firt pump (150px) did not loose any flow and i did not clog to the point of getting 500 gph, so what i want to say its not about some crazy flow, its about balance and thats what you get with eheim canisters, well balance well made and a very, very long time of service with minimum cost, eheim 2213 almost 20 years, 2260 15 years.

Head height doesn't matter when you are dealing with a closed filter system. The pump only has to move the water, it doesn't have to pump it up.

The Ocean Clear NuClear seem like very versatile filters. Untill someone puts a high output pump on the Ehiem 2250/60, I am doubting you will achieve the same results.

Now your fx5 the same one i had, to me it just a big bucket fill with sponges, the amount of media you can use its no match, my 2028 takes more media then the fx5, and i did the comparison filling the 2028 and dump it on the fx5, i had some extra media, also you said you service your fx5 every 6 months, i don't know what you have in it, but on mine i had eheim mech in one tray and the other two trays eheim bio with one layer of a pad, it will clog so quick that you have to do maintance so often that i got sick of doing that , i don't know what it is, if the surface area area its too small to use polishing pads, or it just a bad design.

The fx5 design is far from perfect. There are reason why they did it but it could have been designed the way I modified mine. The OE design was bad for polishing pads. I always tell everyone to leave the pads out otherwise they will just get frustrated. Usually clogs up in a week or two, maybe a month with pads. Now in a Fx5, the trick to fine filtration, is to buy 20/30 ppi filter foam and cut new sponges to replace the OE ones.

With that said, if you do what i said above, you can enjoy the 600 gph for many months without clogging or micro bubbles.

If you don't believe what I'm saying take a poll how often you service the fx5, and see whats the answer, and what up with the micro bubles thing.

I believe you, but there are easy ways of packing the fx5 so you get the best filtration and long service intervals.

Finally, i have to say fluval don't have to make another big canister.. Why?they can make a good one, so thats why probably they went with the g6, instead of maybe fixing the flaws with the fx5. The g6 has way less flow, and i read problems with cloging with the init as well.
The G6 I think is a horrible design. They use pleated filters which clog up very quickly. The G6 and Fx5 are two different animals targeted for two different hobbyists.

I would never say that the fx5 is superior to the 2260/62. It has its faults with the OE design but if you were looking at flow/energy consumption vs price.... Fx5 would win. 5 liters of media is more than enough for many tanks. You have to remember that in a lot of tanks, the BB is in the tank as well.
 
Yeah the more I consider the price the more I think it's the way to go( for me) As much as I love having extra bio, a75 gallon sump should provide enough. 2 FX5's would cost just a little more to run than 1 2262. Not knocking the eheim, I just think the fluval would be better suited for my system, plus providing much more flow and mech.
Plus if were brave enough, you could get 10 liters of bio media in both....yikes. 20 liters and 1200 gph all for 100-110 watts of power..
 
Jgray152;4774081; said:
You used a 600 GPH pump but did you get 600 gph from it?



I would hate a filter that clogs up every month. lol. Used to happen with my 304 and rena xp4 filter. The fx5 without polishing pads can go months without cleaning.



The media may not be the restriction when you want that much flow in a canister that originally had a flow of less than 350 gph. Maybe Eheim was smart about this and made the filter able to flow that high, but I bet the canister itself will be the restriction and not the media.



Head height doesn't matter when you are dealing with a closed filter system. The pump only has to move the water, it doesn't have to pump it up.

The Ocean Clear NuClear seem like very versatile filters. Untill someone puts a high output pump on the Ehiem 2250/60, I am doubting you will achieve the same results.



The fx5 design is far from perfect. There are reason why they did it but it could have been designed the way I modified mine. The OE design was bad for polishing pads. I always tell everyone to leave the pads out otherwise they will just get frustrated. Usually clogs up in a week or two, maybe a month with pads. Now in a Fx5, the trick to fine filtration, is to buy 20/30 ppi filter foam and cut new sponges to replace the OE ones.

With that said, if you do what i said above, you can enjoy the 600 gph for many months without clogging or micro bubbles.



I believe you, but there are easy ways of packing the fx5 so you get the best filtration and long service intervals.


The G6 I think is a horrible design. They use pleated filters which clog up very quickly. The G6 and Fx5 are two different animals targeted for two different hobbyists.

I would never say that the fx5 is superior to the 2260/62. It has its faults with the OE design but if you were looking at flow/energy consumption vs price.... Fx5 would win. 5 liters of media is more than enough for many tanks. You have to remember that in a lot of tanks, the BB is in the tank as well.

No i did not get 600gph and that is absurd to ask because no canister will give you the flow they claim, but i did notice a significant increase on flow when swaping 1250 for 1260 pump. I said again, I'm not to interesting on having a canister that just got flow, the reason i did swap pumps on the 2250 was only because i need more current on the size of that tank, 120 gallon 4x2x2, and i want to have only one canister, no power heads or anything else, the 2250, 12 litres of media won't affect its performance increasing flow; it handle that very easy, that is the reason eheim went with the 2260 to the 2262 basically same canister just a moderate increase of flow on a 18 litres of media, well balance canisters.

I have to disagree with you on the head hight, because the longer the water has to travel the greater the loss just common sense. Now on the ocean clear its a different metod, it is a close system canister also, but instead of taking water from the canister back to the tank by gravity, it takes water from the tank and pushes trough the canister, so the greater the restriction the grater the head pressure you need to acomplish the flow you want, i had done this using a circulation pumps at 1400 gph on two ocean clear and i got almost nothing out, but when i switch to 800 gph pressure pump big difference.

Your claim that the media that fx5 hold its 10 litres, thats no true, i did the comparision, eheim 2028 a 6.5 litres holds more then the fx5, so tray maybe 6 litres, and lest you are counting the sponges,but the baskets hold no more the 6 litres,eheim 2262 18 litres thats 3 times the fx5.

Back to service intervals take a poll and see how often fx5 owner clean their filters, last week i read something and most of them every month, i remenber a friend had five fx5 and was doing cleaning every month, he got so tired doing that that he sold all of them, he was the first to tell me not to used polishg pads beacause of flow restriction, i also sold my and don't regreat it, the only thing i regreat money bad expend it, leason learn, don't buy something because some one tells me its good check reviews first. I will never sell my eheims and lest i need money.
 
Jgray152;4774092; said:
Plus if were brave enough, you could get 10 liters of bio media in both....yikes. 20 liters and 1200 gph all for 100-110 watts of power..

Precisely. That and a 75 gallon sump full of bio seems pretty bullet- proof ( and efficient ) too me. Price doesn't suck either:)
 
I bought my fx5 exactly a year ago for my 125 gallon tank with 1 oscar,1 green terror,1 jack dempsey,5 clown loaches and 3 silver dollars.I would consider this a pretty heavily stocked tank and i have only had to clean mine 3 times in that year.Not once did i ever have micro bubbles.And params are always spot on.So to me why would i want to spend $400+ on a filter when the $200 dollar fx5 does everything a aquariust would want it to do right?If im gonna spend that kind of money on a filter then i might as well do a really awesome sump that will outperform both setups.So it does not seem this is so much about which one is better but which brand you prefer.Just a thought and i might be way wrong lol.
 
Howdy,

Jc1119;4772119; said:
I could almost buy four fx5's for the price of two 2262's with media packs.

Sure. If you like your tank to looks like an emergency room with in-and outlet tubings everywhere ... ;)

Jc1119;4772608; said:
Yeah the more I consider the price [...] 2 FX5's would cost just a little more to run than 1 2262.

When considering costs, don't forget longevity. An Eheim lasts about two decades ... and there are users on this forum whose FX5 broke within the first few years of ownership.

Jgray152;4774081; said:
I would hate a filter that clogs up every month. lol. Used to happen with my 304 and rena xp4 filter. The fx5 without polishing pads can go months without cleaning.

I would hate a filter that only goes several months without cleaning. lol. My 2262s go one year, and that's scheduled maintenance, not reduction in flow (as you saw me document).

:) HarleyK
 
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