Canister for 130
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nc_nutcase;4188486; said:
I think that is just because many people on here have experience with DIY filtration and would have some idea of what they are doing, but for those of us who have never done any kind of DIY work with filtration beyond just setting up a filter using instructions, it wouldn't be so easy. And to be honest, I don't even know what "Placing the pump inline" means.
drgnfrc13;4189553; said:
drgnfrc13:
It's like placing 3 batteries in a mag lite - flash light. All of the batteries are placed in line (+ -, + -, + -). As with the system nc_nutcase is referring to is the pump has an intake and outake and the filtering canister has an intake and outake.
It works something like this:
The tank is drained into a sump. The sump is connected to a filter. The filter is connected to a pump, and the pump is connected to a tube/ hardline which returns the water to the tank. Pretty simplistic actually. It's not that hard to grasp the concept. That is what nc_nutcase means by "Placing the pump inline".
It also helps to be more receptive to other peoples ideas wheather you agree or not. If you do not understand a term, just simply and politely ask. There's no need for sarcasm. We are all here to help each other and that is all nc_nutcase was trying to do.
The system he uses get twice the water changes as what someone would get using the FX5. The cost is the same or close to the same.
The filtration system using the FX5 is contained in one component.
Nc_nutcase's filtration is combined with more than one component. He gets twice the water changes with his system as compared to the FX5. No big deal. I like nc_nutcase's Idea. Twice the bang for your buck.
HEY NC_NUTCASE! I'D REALLY BE INTERESTED ON HOW YOUR SYSTEM GOES TOGETHER AND PERKS YOU'VE FOUND THAT WORK FOR YOU. I'LL BE SETTING UP A 130 WITHIN THE NEXT 2 WEEKS OR SO. SEND ME A PM, WITH THE DATA FOR YOUR SYSTEM, PLEASE. THANKS. I'M LOOKING FWD TO YOUR REPLY PM. David
What? I was asking an honest question (hence the "And to be honest..."), I didn't expect to recieve a lecture on proper forum etiquette. I didn't understand what he meant so I let him know, how is that sarcasm? I know that nc_nutcase has a lot more experience than the majority of the rest of us, which was the reason for my post; I was basically just pointing out that his filtration system, though it is more efficient and cost effective, is probably a little too complicated for the average fishkeeper that lacks his amount of experience with DIY work. I think you misinterperated my post, or maybe I just didn't word it well, but I didn't mean to come off as rude or sarcastic.David K. Bradley;4190355; said:
It's easy to read tone into text that wasn't meant when written... no offense taken 
To place an item "inline"... cut the hose... plug each end of the hose in each end of the item...
For example, to set up the Bio Force 2000 Pressurized Pond Filter I used... The canister has two ports to connect hoses, connect a hose to eat port. The other end of each hose goes in the tank. Cut the hose on the output side and plug each end of the cut into a pump (up to 2,000 gph rated pump).
This is very very very simple. No 'DIY' involved.
The DIY comes into play where you put the the ends of the hoses into the tank. You will most likely want something besides the ends of hoses just stuck in. You can look at any number of filter intakes to get an ideas and you can always buy 'replacement part' intakes for standard filters and use them removing the need for 'DIY' versions.
There will always be those who want/need step by step instructions to feel comfortable creating their filtration. For those the FX5 is a great option. But for anyone with a bit of a creative edge on their filtration, I think you would be cheating yourself if you didn't at least consider a Pressurized Pond Filter if you wish to use a large canister to filter a large tank.
David, you can search this folder for "BioForce 2000" and you will find quite a few threads where I explain my experience with it in detail. After reviewing these feel free to PM me with other specific questions.
To place an item "inline"... cut the hose... plug each end of the hose in each end of the item...
For example, to set up the Bio Force 2000 Pressurized Pond Filter I used... The canister has two ports to connect hoses, connect a hose to eat port. The other end of each hose goes in the tank. Cut the hose on the output side and plug each end of the cut into a pump (up to 2,000 gph rated pump).
This is very very very simple. No 'DIY' involved.
The DIY comes into play where you put the the ends of the hoses into the tank. You will most likely want something besides the ends of hoses just stuck in. You can look at any number of filter intakes to get an ideas and you can always buy 'replacement part' intakes for standard filters and use them removing the need for 'DIY' versions.
There will always be those who want/need step by step instructions to feel comfortable creating their filtration. For those the FX5 is a great option. But for anyone with a bit of a creative edge on their filtration, I think you would be cheating yourself if you didn't at least consider a Pressurized Pond Filter if you wish to use a large canister to filter a large tank.
David, you can search this folder for "BioForce 2000" and you will find quite a few threads where I explain my experience with it in detail. After reviewing these feel free to PM me with other specific questions.
I don't think you give yourself or those who frequent this forum enough credit. As systems and tanks become larger "efficient and cost effective" becomes more and more important. A certain amount of thought and labor can yield great dividends. I gaurantee that with a little effort anyone can coble together an "inline" pump and separate filter. There are plenty of complicated DIY systems on this forum, Ncnutcase offered something pretty freakin' simple. Use your brain not your wallet.drgnfrc13;4190393;4190393 said:
drgnfrc13;4190393; said:
My most humble appologies to you drgnfrc13 and to others on this thread. I believe I did read a different tone into your previous text to nc_nutcase. I am sorry if I offended you. I hope you'll accept my appology and we can put this issue behind us and carry on with the originally intended business here on this thread. Again sir, I do appologise for my ignorance and accusations.
nc_nutcase: I'll look for those threads you mentioned. I hope it gives info as to where you purchased these. I may have to go to a larger city to purchase these unless the retailer's do UPS ground shipment. I'd have to do alot of leg work to find them unless I see something on those threads you mentioned. I hope I find them. Thanks for the tip. I promise, I'll get back with you if needed.
I purchased my BioForce 2000 from a LFS that I was close friends with...
But by searching pond suppliers or even Ebay you can find them online. Whenever I speak of the price of one in comparison to the FX5 I use the online retailer price for that comparison.
The BioForce 2000 comes with the sponge media and bio balls needed for standard use. If you wish you can replace the bio balls for something else... If you wish you could add chemical filtration media between the finer sponges... but the additions would be at an additional cost...
Any brand pump can be used. It can be used with an external pump placed inline as described above... or it can be used with a submersible pump placed at the end of the return line...
A few years ago I stumbled across a diferent brand of Pressurized Pond Filter that had a backwash feature. I've never used or even seen this model in person, but based on what I could find it seemed like a good filter. You can search Ebay for "Pressurized Pond Filter backwash" to locate it.
Don't waste extra money on the UV lamp in the Pressurized Pond Filter. They work great on these filters for removing green water which is commonly needed for outdoor ponds in direct sunlight. But these filters move water far to quickly to get the full range of benefits from a UV lamp.
But by searching pond suppliers or even Ebay you can find them online. Whenever I speak of the price of one in comparison to the FX5 I use the online retailer price for that comparison.
The BioForce 2000 comes with the sponge media and bio balls needed for standard use. If you wish you can replace the bio balls for something else... If you wish you could add chemical filtration media between the finer sponges... but the additions would be at an additional cost...
Any brand pump can be used. It can be used with an external pump placed inline as described above... or it can be used with a submersible pump placed at the end of the return line...
A few years ago I stumbled across a diferent brand of Pressurized Pond Filter that had a backwash feature. I've never used or even seen this model in person, but based on what I could find it seemed like a good filter. You can search Ebay for "Pressurized Pond Filter backwash" to locate it.
Don't waste extra money on the UV lamp in the Pressurized Pond Filter. They work great on these filters for removing green water which is commonly needed for outdoor ponds in direct sunlight. But these filters move water far to quickly to get the full range of benefits from a UV lamp.
Hm, I guess I was wrong then, it just sounded pretty complicated to me, so I figured it would be easier to get an fx5. Btw, I do understand what he meant now that I read his reply to my post, and it really doesn't sound too difficult, so again, I guess I was wrong.dawnmarie;4190468; said:
