ceramic rings

[Bderick67]

I don't think that one was for you. I believe he picked apart your post tried to show me he knows better Truth is he's doing the same, being "here to argue and not actually prove any particular point." The worst part is he's such an hyprocrite that he doesn't aware that.

Not only he lies to others about what they "need" to do with their tanks, he doesn't even have a pair to do it by himself. He has to involve "majority of fish keeping world" to support his lie!

You can spew as much slanderous crap as you want. You think if ya post it enough others will believe. My so called "lies" are based on my experiences and few times research in the matter. The research has generally either leads to experience in the matter or keeps me from attempting such.Please show where I have lacked a pair to do it myself.

The only point I was originally trying to make is you can't base everyone's bio media needs on a few experiences by a few individuals

 

[brianhellno]

Nah! I'm sure he meant 300-gal tank and a DIY 60-gal wet/dry filter

haha duh, your probably right. Still I would be down for some pics if a certain original poster would be cool with putting them up.... Just saying....

Also for all of these bizarre tangents about bio media and weird personal attacks, I think maybe a new thread could be started. I mean seriously you guys are jacking this guys thread up with so much crap that has nothing to do with anything that the OP asked and its ridiculous.

Try this:

Original question: Are the bigger or smaller ceramic rings better for filtration?

Answer: They will both do the job just fine.

That should have been the thread unless he asked for something else. He didn't ask if biomedia was necessary, he didn't ask how much he needed and he damn for sure didn't ask for an in depth flame war about who knows more about bio media/who argues better when they argue.

How about somebody makes a new thread titled "Bio-Media: Let's see how complicated we can make it" and we can go ahead and continue the discussion there.

 

[llllllll]

Nah! I'm sure he meant 300-gal tank and a DIY 60-gal wet/dry filter

lmao yeah thats what i meant hahaha

 

[jlnguyen74]

Sorry man for the confusion, that comment was meant to be directed at jlnguyen74. I no you(nc nutcase) argue/debate what you believe. jlnguyen just enters into arguments/debate to cause commotion

Wow! Looks who's talking! My commontion began on post #41, while yours started on post #18. Really, have you ever listened, to look in a mirror before you post, or at least, listen to what you said?

In case you missed it, these are the OP questions

hey which ceramic rings are better; the big ones or the small ones???

and also someone told me not to use ceramic rings...they told me to use something better like matrix glass or sintered glass...should i listen to him???

lol i just bought 15 lb of ceramic rings and i dont know if i should keep them or not.

What have you done in the last 4 pages to answer those questions?

You can spew as much slanderous crap as you want. You think if ya post it enough others will believe. My so called "lies" are based on my experiences and few times research in the matter. The research has generally either leads to experience in the matter or keeps me from attempting such.Please show where I have lacked a pair to do it myself.

The only point I was originally trying to make is you can't base everyone's bio media needs on a few experiences by a few individuals

Slanderous crap! So the point you are trying to make is "you can't base everyone's bio media needs on a few experiences by a few individuals," yet you want to debunk those experiences by your "experiences and few times research in the matter?" How many experience and research have you done? How many different systems from your "majority fish keeping world" have you taken a look? What conclusion that you draw from your experience and research, besides "the more the better," or " the bigger the better?"

Want to see where you lack a pair? Try this

Myself and the majority of the fish keeping world feel it necessary to use bio media, no matter how "unnecessary" it may be.

Or this...

I myself have one silver that developed DE in each eye on two separate incidences. Both times severe trauma was sustained and the DE appeared withing the next few hours. There are many others here on MFK that will testify as to the same thing happening with there own silver aro. There is even one jardini owner who claims this.

Or this....

Have you ever seen an aro develop DE almost instantly? Meaning on day it was not there the next day it was. Myself and many others have, there has to be an explanation for this. With mine it developed very near after severe head trauma.

I really don't have time to dig deeper, but just from these two threads, look what you brought to your debate? Do you know the difference between "testify" and bandwagon? And how many is "many" or who are your "majority fish keeping world?" If you don't have the knowledge, or a pair to do a debate, better just leave it to the one who actually has the experience. Leave an open mind and listen to others perspective! Don't you realize while you were criticizing nc_nutcase about making others believe that bio-media is not needed (which he did NOT even do so, except you picked apart his context, twisted his words to fit your agenda) you did much worst than by making others believe in you crap about head trauma is the cause of DE in arowana? Really, that head trauma crap is old, unfounded, and it's time to flush that one down the toilet.

I'm pretty sure the OP got his answer from nc_nutcase, and plenty extra input from brianp, ang, dennisdeng, deeda, FSM... but what you did here really doesn't help him at all!

 

[Bderick67]

Your right I didn't answer the OPs original question, as I felt I had no need to add anymore to that. I did feel the need to give input as to the OPs second question he asked.

are you trying to say that i dont need the ceramic rings?

Is it your thinking that this question, which shows his obvious confusion, should not be answered? I even presented a scenario as to how he could find out how little biomedia he really needed.

As for the quotes you provided as examples that I don't have the balls to do anything myself. I'm not even sure as to what the correlation is. But are you now claiming the majority(including yourself) of the fish keeping world doesn't find bio media necessary?

The other two quotes stemming from a DE debate which I was only showing the other posters that a dozen or so MFKers that have the same belief or experiences that I have. Even though you have chopped and pasted the quotes to fit your blurred excuse, anyone can "click" on the in each quote and see what the conversation in that thread is really about.

 

[jlnguyen74]

Your right I didn't answer the OPs original question, as I felt I had no need to add anymore to that. I did feel the need to give input as to the OPs second question he asked.



Is it your thinking that this question, which shows his obvious confusion, should not be answered? I even presented a scenario as to how he could find out how little biomedia he really needed.

As for the quotes you provided as examples that I don't have the balls to do anything myself. I'm not even sure as to what the correlation is. But are you now claiming the majority(including yourself) of the fish keeping world doesn't find bio media necessary?

The other two quotes stemming from a DE debate which I was only showing the other posters that a dozen or so MFKers that have the same belief or experiences that I have. Even though you have chopped and pasted the quotes to fit your blurred excuse, anyone can "click" on the in each quote and see what the conversation in that thread is really about.

It's not about my blurred excuse! It's about the way you "debate" with your lack of knowledge and experience, thus, involve "many" and your "majority of fish keeping world!"

Don't start twisting word, since I haven't claim myself nor the majority of fish keeping world don't find bio media necessary. Really, it's lame! To go from which ceramic rings is better to whether bio-media is necessary, and you don't expect the OP got all confuse?

 

[yogurt_21]

haha duh, your probably right. Still I would be down for some pics if a certain original poster would be cool with putting them up.... Just saying....

Also for all of these bizarre tangents about bio media and weird personal attacks, I think maybe a new thread could be started. I mean seriously you guys are jacking this guys thread up with so much crap that has nothing to do with anything that the OP asked and its ridiculous.

Try this:

Original question: Are the bigger or smaller ceramic rings better for filtration?

Answer: They will both do the job just fine.

That should have been the thread unless he asked for something else. He didn't ask if biomedia was necessary, he didn't ask how much he needed and he damn for sure didn't ask for an in depth flame war about who knows more about bio media/who argues better when they argue.

How about somebody makes a new thread titled "Bio-Media: Let's see how complicated we can make it" and we can go ahead and continue the discussion there.

though it seems I missed the original question in my previous point as well. sorry OP.

 

[Bderick67]

It's not about my blurred excuse! It's about the way you "debate" with your lack of knowledge and experience, thus, involve "many" and your "majority of fish keeping world!"

Don't start twisting word, since I haven't claim myself nor the majority of fish keeping world don't find bio media necessary. Really, it's lame! To go from which ceramic rings is better to whether bio-media is necessary, and you don't expect the OP got all confuse?

Sure thing Bob, as I stated before you enter these threads to cause nothing but trouble. Heck you won't even lay claim to which side of this debate you truly believe(though it's not hard to find out). You will only argue against anything I post.

As to the OPs questions i answered the one that I though he was unclear on. This was well after the "bio media needed" had started.

 

[sushiray]

OK everyone, its the 2minute warning 4th qtr down 7pts on the 1yard line, it's 3rd & goal.

in this scenario I "believe" that every any pro football team will score a TD the majority of the time.

so goes with bio media. majority of the time it is useful - "required or needed" ? well that Q? can be answered I'm sure by others who have experience w/o bio-media fancy smancy ceramic rings.

in fact, I will add my experience of the good ole days of days gone by - I remember buying a set up & the filter came with only filter floss & carbon. back then that was all that was needed for filtration to get up & running. how about those corner in the tank filter boxes that work fine with guppy goldfish tetra etc. small tanks? no bio-media special rings needed there.

in fact, back then in my 10 gal tank (which today I will admit was overstocked) I have to presume that all the natual processes were working fine since all I had was a cheapo part of package deal HOB filter with filter floss (that got dirty plenty fast) & carbon (which was used religiously). later on did the same with a 15gal & then a 20gal. this mind you was back in the 70's! didn't know about bio-media or if I did wouldn't have been inclined to buy em.

so to continue - I would get lazy & not change the filtger floss for days on end, like months. fish did fine. actually none died for quite a long time. even when I added more fish (& no QT accept acclimating the bagged fish) the worst that happened was I got Ich.

& never did frequent w/c's. when I did a w/c, I would stir up the gravel with a very thin long tube (I think it was a suction tube) which then I proceeded to ("siphon out the water" - actually scooped cups of water out) so I could refill (& get this! with aged water! not conditioned by Prime or any other product!).

so in my long ago naive lack of knowledge lazy days of fishkeeping, I did just fine w/o the special bio-media rings/spheres/jagged glass, etc. cuz guess wHere it all was? on the glass, on the filter tube, the heater/thermometer, decoration & in the filter itself (what with the thick filter floss having a nice layer of slime).

so for both sides of this debate - use of ceramic rings can't possibly hurt the OP, so any size would be fine to use. if the OP chose not to use, well I don't think (uh oh, opinion coming! no scientific foundation to base it on - except my limited experience & science project) - I don't think it is really needed.

there I said it & you can't make me take it back! no backzies!!

 

[sushiray]

oh! sorry all, I joined late in the game/thread/debate. I'm one of those fair weather fans, not interested in how the season went, just want to watch the playoffs & championship game.

so here just want to watch the near end of this thread & see who comes out on top!!! I think I have some good seats to watch you guys "play" nice!!!