Cichla Kelberi 'Sao Paulo' where are they all?

[Scatocephalus]

...I would love to see pics on how they are turning out.

Take a look at this thread.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3845054&mode=linear#post3845054

I'm pretty sure the two kelberi pictured are the kelberi that came from Shark Aquarium last January. They were sold as C. sp. "Gold" at the time.

Based on their size at it relates to other fish in the tank I'd estimate they are about 8". Possibly a tad less.

 

[bigguapote]

I didn't read this whole thread, so excuse me for jumping in and readdressing any questions that may have been previously addressed.

'Sao Paulo' kelberi is not referencing the collection point of the fish. It only recognizes the name of the city from which they were shipped.
These fish were collected in the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais as well.

It is true that they are not native to this state, but rather were introduced there from their native waters in the north. The kelberi are reproducing in these reservoirs and maintaining a viable population in several watersheds in Minas Gerais as well as other states where they were stocked.

In response to the ill informed comment regarding their origin as captive bred or hatchery raised, that is incorrect.

Not only had I thoroughly researched the collection locale and identity of these fish prior to originally importing them last year, but I just returned from spending 10 days in the immediate area of Brazil from which they are fished.

I hope that everyone who's gotten kelberi enjoy their fish. They are far from common and not easily collected.

Realizing the extreme difficulties associated with export of Brazilian ornamental tropical fish (not restricted to Cichla spp., but pertaining to this genus as per thread), those of you who have kelberi may consider yourselves fortunate.

Additional info can be found at below link in regards to restrictions on export of ornamental fish from Brazil.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297166

 

[Scatocephalus]

I didn't read this whole thread, so excuse me for jumping in and readdressing any questions that may have been previously addressed.

'Sao Paulo' kelberi is not referencing the collection point of the fish. It only recognizes the name of the city from which they were shipped.
These fish were collected in the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais as well.

It is true that they are not native to this state, but rather were introduced there from their native waters in the north. The kelberi are reproducing in these reservoirs and maintaining a viable population in several watersheds in Minas Gerais as well as other states where they were stocked.

In response to the ill informed comment regarding their origin as captive bred or hatchery raised, that is incorrect.

Not only had I thoroughly researched the collection locale and identity of these fish prior to originally importing them last year, but I just returned from spending 10 days in the immediate area of Brazil from which they are fished.

I hope that everyone who's gotten kelberi enjoy their fish. They are far from common and not easily collected.

Realizing the extreme difficulties associated with export of Brazilian ornamental tropical fish (not restricted to Cichla spp., but pertaining to this genus as per thread), those of you who have kelberi may consider yourselves fortunate.

Additional info can be found at below link in regards to restrictions on export of ornamental fish from Brazil.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297166

Great info Jeff! Quick question... did you get a chance to capture any of the fish yourself or see captured specimens being held in captivity? There's a lot of discrepency regarding their maximum size and I'm just trying narrow it down a bit. Kullander reports that 10" is pretty much it but I see people here claiming their kelberi are 12"+. Any thoughts on the subject of maximum size?

 

[orinocensis1]

I didn't read this whole thread, so excuse me for jumping in and readdressing any questions that may have been previously addressed.

'Sao Paulo' kelberi is not referencing the collection point of the fish. It only recognizes the name of the city from which they were shipped.
These fish were collected in the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais as well.

It is true that they are not native to this state, but rather were introduced there from their native waters in the north. The kelberi are reproducing in these reservoirs and maintaining a viable population in several watersheds in Minas Gerais as well as other states where they were stocked.

In response to the ill informed comment regarding their origin as captive bred or hatchery raised, that is incorrect.

Not only had I thoroughly researched the collection locale and identity of these fish prior to originally importing them last year, but I just returned from spending 10 days in the immediate area of Brazil from which they are fished.

I hope that everyone who's gotten kelberi enjoy their fish. They are far from common and not easily collected.

Realizing the extreme difficulties associated with export of Brazilian ornamental tropical fish (not restricted to Cichla spp., but pertaining to this genus as per thread), those of you who have kelberi may consider yourselves fortunate.

Additional info can be found at below link in regards to restrictions on export of ornamental fish from Brazil.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297166

Thats some great info Jeff thanks

 

[orinocensis1]

Great info Jeff! Quick question... did you get a chance to capture any of the fish yourself or see captured specimens being held in captivity? There's a lot of discrepency regarding their maximum size and I'm just trying narrow it down a bit. Kullander reports that 10" is pretty much it but I see people here claiming their kelberi are 12"+. Any thoughts on the subject of maximum size?

Yes I am also woundering about the size situation

 

[HULON]

now thats great info !!!And thanks again for the quality fish!!!

 

[CichlaRyan]

Ok bro aparently you don't have any common sense what so ever.. If you look really really goood at the 2 pics .. a little while after you should notice that Scats pic is more zoomed in then mine? So why would you even compare it?

or what if I had the fish in a 10,000 gallon tank? a 12" hell, a 24" fish would look baby in it so If I say its 12" why wouldn't you take my word for it? Why would I lie about something like that?

Yeah I could say a lot of things also but I'm not gonna waste my time either. Just gonna salvage what is left of this thread and hope that people would post nice Info or pics on their sao paulo Kelberi's. PEACE

i am not stupid i took that account... but even with the zoom yours does not seem to compare and i am not comparing it in any other way then size but it seems you are taking it differently..

I do not know what you are even talking about if you mean that the cichla would be small compared to the size of the tank being 10,000 G's but i do not know how that is even relevant to this discussion i never said you lied i just said that you over estimated...

well i wasted some of my time trying to prove my point well why don't you prove yours? I am sure you can take 15min out of your life to redeem yourself and help people know more about these fish i mean wasn't that your main objective by posting this thread or was it really to brag about your new fish? I don't know and i am not stating weather or not i believe it is either. Furthermore what do you mean salvage?? just because there is a dispute that benefits your knowledge about this species it is automatically considered derailing or dis respect or i am considered a young fool who takes no one else credibility into account but my own.. well if you like to think that way that's fine but honestly if i am young and stupid then that makes you just the same for calling me out on something as silly as this. One more thing if it wasn't for me saying what i believe you would have not known many things you know now in this thread and what does this all come down to .... well if it comes down to me spicing your thread up. so consider it a gift and your welcome.

 

[bigguapote]

Great info Jeff! Quick question... did you get a chance to capture any of the fish yourself or see captured specimens being held in captivity? There's a lot of discrepency regarding their maximum size and I'm just trying narrow it down a bit. Kullander reports that 10" is pretty much it but I see people here claiming their kelberi are 12"+. Any thoughts on the subject of maximum size?

I haven't seen any over 10", but it would be very hard to believe that they are restricted to that size.
Largest I've imported were 8", so time will tell how large these folks' fish will grow in captivity.

 

[ado124]

Awesome info Jeff! I also find it hard to believe that they only grow to 10" I feel like mine are already at 10" and will continue to grow.

 

[orinocensis1]

I haven't seen any over 10", but it would be very hard to believe that they are restricted to that size.
Largest I've imported were 8", so time will tell how large these folks' fish will grow in captivity.

Very interesting Jeff thanks