Climate cooling strikes again

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Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4858807; said:
because arguing with u is like paintballing random children. As fun as it may be, in the end there is no point and your just gonna get in trouble.

Ill be an eco hippy if im wrong. Ill do what all those that believe in the ridiculous theory of man made global warming should do. Disappear. Go live off the grid. Go live in a eco hippy house, wipe ur butt with ur left hand and a bowl of water, grow ur own veggies and only use renewable resources. Ill kill every cow i can find(you know thier farts help cause global warming) and wont raise my own meat. Thier animal poo poisons lakes and streams, thus helping cause global warming. Plus all animals fart

So, what are u gonna go do if your right??

Don't for get the deisel ford f-450 lol


You do realize that arguing Juxtaroberto or davidw is like trying to reason with 3year old (wich any who's been around kid knows is imposible lol).
They are to stuck up to listen to anyone. Oh and once this thread get's closed they will start pming you about it:y220d:.:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
kingkarter;4859173; said:
Don't for get the deisel ford f-450 lol


You do realize that arguing Juxtaroberto or davidw islike trying to reason with 3year old (wich any who's been around kid knows is imposible lol).
They are to stuck up to listen to anyone. Oh and once this thread get's closed they will start pming you about it:y220d:.:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

You didn't have to answer my PM, you know. I PM'ed you because you seemed like you genuinely wanted to know, like you had questions, but you don't. You don't know much about science, in any field, and yet you think you can dismiss the evidence painstakingly collected and brutally peer reviewed. I mean really, "If global warming is real, why is it getting colder?" The sad thing is that you don't realize how sad it is for someone to ask that, while thinking they've got this great, bulletproof argument.

I'm still waiting on LP. What is causing this "natural" warming?
 
CLDarnell;4858884; said:
I think mankind oftens gives itself too much credit. Now, I do agree we do have an impact on our environment, but in the total scope, I believe we are an insignificant part of Earth's evolution. I mean, seriously, if the North Pole decides to head south or if millions of square miles of ice sheets decide to melt, there's no a lot we can do to stop it. Yes, we can help prevent accelerating the problem, but remember, this is a pretty big rock we think we can control.

I believe the bottom line is, people are scared. We always have been. It goes back to...it's always easier to believe bad than it is to believe good. Humans are "doomsdayers" by nature. History documents this.

Back on topic...yeah, the weather seems weird lately. But, I remember some pretty damn cold, snowy days when I was growing up! And I remember my Dad and even my Grandpa telling me stories of huge blizzards and frigid cold. I am sure we've all heard something like "the blizzard of '42" or something along those lines. I also remember 3 years ago, we didn't get much snow here in Omaha and the winter was pretty mild. And I know for a fact, the winter here last year was horrid compared to even this "tough" winter.

Looking back, world wide, the "hottest day" recorded temperatures range from the 1910's in North America and Africa up to 2010 in Asia and Europe. The "coldest day" records range from 1890s in Asia, 1910s in Europe and more recent years in the Americas. I don't think we can take a few weeks of bad weather and say there's a trend.

Also, we have to remember when we do compare modern day weather analysis and compare it to just 50 years ago for example, how accurate is the data? Yeah, I am sure the recorded temp is correct, but weather patterns? OK, go back 100 years ago, then 200...10,000. We tend to lump Earth's history into the experiences and span of our own lifetime. This planet has been through more climate changes over the centuries than we can even imagine. (By the way, how could we possibly know the temperature of the North Pole 2,000 years ago?)

I used to go into the city and think "man, we are really messing this planet up". All you can see is towering columns of steel, concrete and glass. There are miles and miles of asphalt...and all the other stuff you find in a large city. But, then I started flying. It always amazes me when I look down from 3,000-15,000 feet up and see how insignifcant we really are. We aren't the "global masters" that we tend to believe.

Now, I don't mean to sound like such a defeatiest or pessimist...I do think there are things we can do and I think there are things we ARE doing. But, it bugs me to no end knowing that people can put so much emphasis on weather patterns and global climate when there are so MANY things wrong in this world we can fix with the skills, knowledge and tools we already have. People are starving, over-crowded, neglected and abused. I guarantee you these people aren't worried one bit about oceanic currents and jet streams. The wealthy (meaning anyone who is not struggling) don't have to worry about feeding their family today, tomorrow, etc. But, just like impoverished families, they do worry about their future. In their case though they worry about global warming, rogue asteroids and solar storms. So, in a way, we're all worrying about our future...but to what degree determines who we are in society.

This post has gone on way too long and I still have tons to say :) But, I will sum up by saying yes, we need to continue to study human impact on the environment, we need to support committees and organizations investigating and implementing measures to lessen our impact and we need tougher laws and have the courage to enforce them when they are ignored. But...as a "species", we shouldn't make it a priority when so many of our own kind have no hope of a future no matter what's in store for planet Earth.

In my mind, there's no reason to worry about the roof when the foundation is already crumbling.

As always, just my $0.02...

^ This here, compared with LP's posts and Warborg's and kingkarter's, is the difference between a skeptic, and a denier. The skeptic allows for the possibility, but does not believe blindly, and yet, judging by the amount of thought put into this post, and the apparent intelligence of the poster, I know that if CLDarnell were presented with proof, he would not have an ideological issue accepting anthropogenic global warming. The denier will not be swayed by facts or logic, and will make claims like "man made global warming is complete BS", despite that such a statement, a negative statement, cannot ever be known to be true due to the nature of logic and existence. It is to the skeptics that I direct my posts, because it is obvious that the deniers will never believe otherwise, no matter what evidence you present.
 
kingkarter;4859173; said:
You do realize that arguing Juxtaroberto or davidw islike trying to reason with 3year old (wich any who's been around kid knows is imposible lol).
They are to stuck up to listen to anyone. Oh and once this thread get's closed they will start pming you about it:y220d:.:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

I absolutely disagree with these comments. Both men are obviously very intelligent and can quote scientific data to you until your held melts or explodes. I don't agree fully with the content of the discussion, but I believe both men would be disappointed in anyone that blindly follows a thought or trend without making their own decisions or judgements.

I have debated to a small degree with DavidW once before. I never once doubted his logic or reasoning from his perspective. Originally, I asked him what his credentials were...his reply was actually very humble. This man has the history and resources to know what he is talking about.

Roberto was one of my first friends here on MFK. I requested it since I was impressed with his knowledge and the fact that he knew how to express his point in an extremely intelligent and impressive way.

Personally, if either of these guys told me something I didn't know, I would not dismiss the information or take it lightly.
 
CLDarnell;4859435; said:
Both men are obviously very intelligent

That where some of us don't agree, I been on a few forums before where people try to act big by posting alot and trying to show off while using 'big' words.

I've always believed in keeping it simple and easy to follow.

They have both claimed that we are close minded yet they have dismissed all facts that have proven Global warming is a hoax and that it was even "invented" before most of us were even born.
 
Weve been pounded up here in N. Texas for several days. Weve had 2 inch thick sheets of ice covering the roads since tuesday, then today it turns around and snows 6-8 inches on top of the ice. Been in the teens all week with wind chills in the sub zeros. Tomorrow (saturday) we should finally get above freezing sometime in the afternoon and warmer sunday. Only to have a 40% chance of snow again on monday.
 
Warborg;4859503; said:
That where some of us don't agree, I been on a few forums before where people try to act big by posting alot and trying to show off while using 'big' words.

I've always believed in keeping it simple and easy to follow.

They have both claimed that we are close minded yet they have dismissed all facts that have proven Global warming is a hoax and that it was even "invented" before most of us were even born.

If you have found flaws with the facts in my posts, then please, by all means, show me. Don't complain I use big words when they're words any high school graduate should easily understand. It's not my fault they haven't invented a simpler words for scientific vocabulary.

It seems you are mistaken as to what "facts" are. For one, and this is most important, they are verifiable. Some guy making a youtube video reading from a file you can't even see clearly, not offering sources, is not proof. The temperature readings of the surface of the earth are verifiable. The ACRIM readings of total solar irradiance are verifiable. Oops... sorry... "irradiance" means "energy being put out." Sorry, big words, you know how I like 'em.
 
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4858754; said:
If yall believe in man made global warming so much then do us all a favor. get off the grid. go live in a cave using nothing but renewable resources.

Disappear. Plz!! if your so right then you need to do something about it.

Just because I believe in global warming, doesn't mean I care. If it is true, and we end up killing ourselves off, then I'll be happy. I'm for global warming.
We need to die so that the dolphins can finally take their rightful place as rulers and evolve into kick ass man dolphins.
 
I am from Texas originally and yeah, snow is a very uncommon thing to see in Texas! But, even as far south as Houston, it snowed 35 times during the 20th century and the coldest day, 5 degrees F, happened in 1930.

But yeah, snow in Texas sucks!
 
Camshaft Ramrod;4859546; said:
Just because I believe in global warming, doesn't mean I care. If it is true, and we end up killing ourselves off, then I'll be happy. I'm for global warming.
We need to die so that the dolphins can finally take their rightful place as rulers and evolve into kick ass man dolphins.

:ROFL:You should read Galapagos, by Kurt Vonnegut. Kinda similar... man becomes dolphin-like, and octopuses become the dominant species.
 
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