Cobras are in!!!

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I disagree with two of your comments. First off, your comment about cobras riding hooks well. Cobras are extremely active and flighty snakes that tend to slide right off a hook just as fast as you hook them. It is far safer/easier to use a single hook to support the front half of the snake while tailing with your free hand to unsure control.

The other comment I really have a problem with is the one about taking the risk of housing two snakes together just to save room. This is one of the most irresponsible comments I have ever heard. That's like saying, "I couldn't afford a child seat for my baby so I just let him ride between my legs while I drive". Snakes should never be housed in multiples unless for breeding reasons and even then you still run the risk of an aggressive cage mate inflicting injury on another. If you can afford to buy new snakes, you can afford to house them properly.
 
ManicMelvin;4000522; said:
I disagree with two of your comments. First off, your comment about cobras riding hooks well. Cobras are extremely active and flighty snakes that tend to slide right off a hook just as fast as you hook them. It is far safer/easier to use a single hook to support the front half of the snake while tailing with your free hand to unsure control.

The other comment I really have a problem with is the one about taking the risk of housing two snakes together just to save room. This is one of the most irresponsible comments I have ever heard. That's like saying, "I couldn't afford a child seat for my baby so I just let him ride between my legs while I drive". Snakes should never be housed in multiples unless for breeding reasons and even then you still run the risk of an aggressive cage mate inflicting injury on another. If you can afford to buy new snakes, you can afford to house them properly.
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tailing anything that is under a foot long is just stupid IMO. I know that eventually, I will have to start tailing them but at this point it is just too risky and they are riding the hook very well at the moment and the adults that I have worked with were no trouble at all on the hook either while tailing.

As far as the caging set up goes, they will be eventually breed so I figure that it is no different for me to house them together now than it would be when it is time to breed, the risk of having one eat the other is going to be the same no mater what. And no mater what, the risk is very minimal.
 
ManicMelvin;4000522; said:
It is far safer/easier to use a single hook to support the front half of the snake while tailing with your free hand to unsure control.

Snakes should never be housed in multiples unless for breeding reasons and even then you still run the risk of an aggressive cage mate inflicting injury on another. If you can afford to buy new snakes, you can afford to house them properly.
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Tailing a hatchling kaouthia would be insane. I don't tail cobras under 3-4 feet, period, ever.

There is no problem with housing two equally sized cobras together. If they did bite each other nothing would happen.

Chad

PS - that is twenty years of venomous keeping AND breeding, working for a reptile importer, authoring a book on venomous snakes, authoring articles on the safe handling of venomous reptiles, and being the vice president of a herpetological society speaking. Ask yourself how many elapids you've actually had your fingers on before you lash back.
 
It was stated that "cobras" ride hooks well not specifically neos. I agree, tailing ANY snake under a foot is insane and perhaps I should have been more specific. To each is own as far as keeping venomous snakes goes but then again so can that be said about anything. If you wish to house them together then go for it. I personally wouldn't and know many others that would agree. But then there's those that free handling. The ones who do it are comfortable with it and for the most part see nothing wrong. This is far from making it safe though. Everyone is entitled their own opinion and I expressed mine, hence I said "I disagree" and not "your wrong".
 
I was not intending to go after you, just defending my position as well.

I don't think that free handling is a good analogy to keeping 2 snakes together though, I am not putting anyone's life in danger...
 
snakeguy101;4000640; said:
As far as the caging set up goes, they will be eventually breed so I figure that it is no different for me to house them together now than it would be when it is time to breed, the risk of having one eat the other is going to be the same no mater what. And no mater what, the risk is very minimal.
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In fact, it is different. To get most exotic snakes to breed, they have to be cycled. The purpose of cycling it to get them into the mind set of reproducing so when you introduce them they are going to want to get down to business and not be territorial. Snakes are solitary in the wild except during breeding season and I try to replicate my animals natural environment to the best of my ability. (Thus keeping the separated until ready to breed.)


Swampy459;4000675; said:
There is no problem with housing two equally sized cobras together. If they did bite each other nothing would happen.

Chad

PS - that is twenty years of venomous keeping AND breeding, working for a reptile importer, authoring a book on venomous snakes, authoring articles on the safe handling of venomous reptiles, and being the vice president of a herpetological society speaking. Ask yourself how many elapids you've actually had your fingers on before you lash back.
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This is probably one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. If you are implying that if a snake was envenomated by the same species as itself, then yes, the venom would have no effect. But to say that a bite would have no effect is just plain wrong. A fang could easily hit a vital organ or nerve and cause a fatality or paralysis.

You and I are the same species, would you like it if I bit you in the face? I doubt a snake would either. I have worked with elapids. Not as many as you claim to, But that doesn't make me less intelligent, it just makes you a experienced idiot.
 
Jonk9194;4001067; said:
In fact, it is different. To get most exotic snakes to breed, they have to be cycled. The purpose of cycling it to get them into the mind set of reproducing so when you introduce them they are going to want to get down to business and not be territorial. Snakes are solitary in the wild except during breeding season and I try to replicate my animals natural environment to the best of my ability. (Thus keeping the separated until ready to breed.)




This is probably one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. If you are implying that if a snake was envenomated by the same species as itself, then yes, the venom would have no effect. But to say that a bite would have no effect is just plain wrong. A fang could easily hit a vital organ or nerve and cause a fatality or paralysis.

You and I are the same species, would you like it if I bit you in the face? I doubt a snake would either. I have worked with elapids. Not as many as you claim to, But that doesn't make me less intelligent, it just makes you a experienced idiot.
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why does everyone act like they have to be the best/all knowing person on every subject. Really. This is the only downfall to forums. I dont give a $hit how u handle or keep ur cobras. U got more balls than me to do ether. haha. Awesome snakes. Really cool. I especially like the albino one. Congrats 2 u
 
Apart from not ever haven seen an albino Cobra,
Im very impressed.
Wauw.

This is exactly why Im a member to this forum.
I wish you all the best with (all) your animals. Im a bit jealous.

A red tail Python is what Im going for. Im pretty sure Im not ever
going to be close to anyones pet Cobra..
Just too scared.
 
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