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MeghanLynn

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Hi!

My name is Meghan, this is actually my first post here on these forums (Which I am SO glad I found btw) I guess a little background first...I am moving in a little over a month, which is why I am considering another tank, I now have the room for it. I first fell in love with Stingrays when my boyfriend and I went to the Adventure Aquarium in Camden for our anniversary. We did a shark dive program, and included with it, was the stingray meeting. We got to feed and touch the stingrays and their pups, and they were indeed like little puppies! We recently just got back from Seaworld and Discovery Cove now too where we also hung out with the Stingrays a majority of the time, we both love them so much.

I have a few other pets all ready...Maverick the Bearded Dragon, Bunker the Short Tailed Opossum, Moony the cat, and Leckie the Albino Hedgehog. (Also have 2 ferrets, a dog, and a hamster that wont be living with us when we move) We are hoping to soon add two new additions, two stingrays who we have all ready decided we will call Daggett and Norbert!

Now for the questions. For a tank, after looking around a lot recently, we decided we are going to order a custom tank. We were thinking a large square, shallow but nice and big for plenty of swimming room. For a stand, just a small rectangular stand to raise it off the ground. I want it lower rather than raised for easier access. I am not sure exactly how much room we will have, and wont know for another month until we are moved and settled, but we are trying to start planning for the most part now, and are hoping to get as big as we can. How big would this tank need to be to house 2 stingrays? (Most likely on the smaller scale, P Reticulata or P Hystrix, POSSIBLY bigger Motoros, would prefer them because of the hardiness, but its really going to depend on our wallets after the tank is built and set up)

We were thinking maybe 4' x 4' for the square. What would be the minimum, and what would be optimal, for each type of ray? Also, how deep would you guys suggest? We are trying to figure out the minimum but comfortable for now, and then if we have the room and money, will get as big as we can.

Also, what the heck kind of lid could I get for that? I am assuming the people making the tank can also make a top for it? A top is DEFINITELY needed because of my psychotic cat. Do I need any sort of special lighting for them, or just something to cover the tank up?


The BIGGEST problem we have right now is that neither of us know anything at all, literally nothing, about filtration. We are totally clueless. I have read that a wet/dry filter is the best, but honestly I only vaguely even know what that is. Do custom tank people also build the filtration equipment, or do I need to buy it separately? Eheim is good right? I could afford to get one of the good Eheims right off the bat, and then after everything is settled could add another. Would that be adequate filtration? I have a python and weekly 50% water changes will not be a problem.

As for the rays themselves, since we aren't getting them right away and this will be several months from now, we are looking at several stores right now, and will be dropping by to visit all of them to check on the health of their fish and to ask them to feed. On one of their websites they said when they import livestock for people, they quarantine them themselves for 2 weeks to make sure they are eating and healthy and acclimated before letting the customer take it, so I think we are leaning towards them right now.

Btw, does anyone know of any breeders in the NJ/NY/PA area? We could probably go even a little bit further if we know the rays are coming from good hands. Looking for healthy retics, hystrix, motoro or scobina for a relatively good price.



So sorry for the wall of text, but I have a lot of questions (Still more, haha) and I just want to make sure we are well and prepared and know what we need before we start. Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions you guys could give us!
 
It also just occured to me that maybe an 'indoor pond' setup might look nicer and be a bit cheaper, but again, way clueless on that, and Id probably have to buy a pond container because I am derr derrrr when it comes to tools and will not be able to build it myself haha. What is your guys opinion on that?
 
Welcome, I am sure you will fine tons of info here on what you need to do.

Sounds like a pond would be easier for you and most cost effective. Custom tanks tend to be very expensive. Home made ones are an option as well.

As far as filtration goes look at trickle filters and/or larger canister filters like Eheim 2262 or 2260 those are a good place to start.

Lighting isn't all that important with Rays.

And on larger tanks custom covers are the way to go. And I have psycho cats too and can pretty much garuntee that one time they fall into the tank it will be the last time they think about messing around the tank again.. lol
 
What about something like this! I really really like this: http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f123/my-300-gal-indoor-pond-build-114473.html


The problem would be getting plans for something like that and then trying to find someone to help us build it, because neither one of us are very good at building. I think once the frame was done though I could figure out the lining, again the biggest problem would just be filtration. I have no clue how any of the filter stuff works or how I'd have to set it up.
 
Canisters are easy. You buy them......Attach the tubing according to the instructions, wash the media, put media into trays, prime pump, place intake and output hosing in pond/tank, plug in canister......job done.
 
soulpatch;4419537; said:
Canisters are easy. You buy them......Attach the tubing according to the instructions, wash the media, put media into trays, prime pump, place intake and output hosing in pond/tank, plug in canister......job done.
Not the smartest idea to go with canisters when you have a large pond or tank setup. You could just make or even buy a sump with a small fraction of that money.
 
Welcome to the forum and welcome to raykeeping :)

While indoor ponds are an excellent idea and are cost effective, I wouldn't reccommend them for your first time raykeeping. If there is something wrong with one of your rays, in a glass tank that allows for easy viewing you can pick up on a problem very quickly. For example a glass tank allows you to easily view a rays underside-red underside=possible ammonia burn or irritation caused by the substrate, it allows you to check for signs of an underweight ray, see any signs of it getting picked on by tankmates etc. Being able to check for all these are much easier in a glass tank and is why I would reccommend a glass tank until you gain more experience with rays.

Custom tanks are great, they allow for the desirable footprint for keeping rays but they can be very pricey. Check out http://glasscages.com/ they have some pretty good deals on tanks. A 4' x 4' tank would be great for retics or hystrix rays, if you are buying hystrix rays make sure that what you are buying is a true "Brazilian hystrix", as they stay much smaller than "Peruvian hystrix"; which is most likely an orbinyi/yepezi type ray and can get pretty large. If buying retics, make sure that they are well fed, you can browse through the forum and find a lot of information on underweight rays. Retics tend to be picky eaters, and thats something you will learn all about by reading this forum also.

For filtration DIY sump or wet-dry is definetely the way to go-check out the DIY forum on this site for more details.
 
Okay, thanks for the suggestions guys, any other help and tips are greatly appreciated.

How deep should the water be for the rays?
 
Depth isn't important. No need to go deeper than say 20" IMO.

If you go with a standard pond without side vieweing windows it will be 10x easier on you to make your own.

And canisters are great on larger tanks, not sure why Gshock said they were not, but I have a 300 gallon tank with dual 2262 Eheims and it works perfectly.
 
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