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Inglorious said:
But your side can't be proven ever, so how can you completely dismiss the BBT while embracing the opposite belief?

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Eyewitnesses wrote their experience in the History book. According to the other side there was no witnesses for billions of years for their belief

Like threads in the past this isn't going anywhere...I'm done (It's not like I got too far anyways).
 
I just watched the first episode. Neat stuff, especially the cosmic calendar. Mind blowing how new religion and our existence is.
 
Gill Blue said:
I think it's interesting you've come full circle and left me hanging back at the "should he go free" question.
can it be absolutely proven? no. it is possible those pieces of evidence could occur without him being the killer? yes. but the probability of it being other than the interpretation of the available facts is low enough to proceed as if it were a proven.
if you wait for everything to be 100% every time.... there'd be no society, and very likely no human species.
you just have to remember that you could be incorrect and remain open to the possibility that you are wrong and be willing to redirect your thinking.

so can you prove the big bang theory? no. is there enough evidence to support the possibility? yes. is there enough evidence to make any other possibilities implausible? I'm going with yes.
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So sorry to leave you hanging... I just didn't want to derail this thread with a "death penalty and the pros/cons of the US justice system "discussion since its supposed to be a scientific discussion. I would agree with you in this specific case tho, that this theoretical man is probably guilty. BUT I also freely admit that I may be wrong, as there also reasonable (but albeit less likely) explanations for all of the situations you presented. I also agree that, waiting for everything to be 100% would never allow us to make any decisions in life/society/etc...

And thank you, for making my point. We all take something on FAITH. [Don't get upset TOS enforcers: FAITH doesn't have to mean believing in a "religion" it simply means that you believe in something you cannot necessarily prove/know to be true.] As you mention above and below, there are uncertainties everywhere in life (specifically in this TV series discussion concerning the creation of the universe and the beginning of life); and my original point was and is that theories and evidence don't make FACTS, they make probabilities. And probabilities like these are HIGHLY subjective from person-to-person; based upon thousands of factors in everyone's personal life-experience. And being aware that you are taking these things on FAITH will make you a better person with a more well-rounded understanding of yourself and the world you experience.

Gill Blue said:
it's funny that you make assumptions in your statement decrying assumptions.
energy can't be destroyed? there's no way to prove that in the primordial universe(s?) that things weren't different enough that it could be, or even that it can be in different sections of the universe. we're starting to understand that the laws of physics are only applicable here, not necessarily somewhere else.
I agree, I would assume there to be something, but even that I would expect to have had to come from somewhere. but there is plenty of evidence that there was an explosion, that it was immense, and that it affected not just our galaxy, but all the others we've seen.
while the explosion isn't in doubt, the cause is still a mystery.
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So you're saying it could have been "magic"? I mean when I hear that "the rules of physics" don't apply, it sounds a lot less like science and a lot more like "magic"... Joking aside, you're admitting to not having FACTS, but instead that you are making assumptions and forming your belief on something that you must "take in FAITH" because its not provable.

Gill Blue said:
too many times humans apply a certainty to uncertain issues.
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Again, this was my original point. There are no FACTS about the "beginning of time"; but people keep insisting there are. Typically the "science believers" have a hard time admitting that they too (just like the "god believers") are taking certain things on FAITH.

Inglorious said:
I find it amusing that people are refuting each others thoughts as impossible because they can't be proven while then giving their own opinion which cannot be proven. Pot meet the kettle.
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Exactly. This is the whole point of my original post.

Inglorious said:
I'm just playing devil's advocate and pointing out that neither side can be 100% proven at this point so arguing that someone else is wrong while not proving their side when you can't prove your own is a bit hypocritical.
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^ See someone else gets it.

Gill Blue said:
verifiable facts are all it takes for me. what exactly are you trying to convince me of?
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Just trying to convince you that you don't actually have "verifiable facts"... All you have are theories, which you CHOSE to believe. And there is NOTHING WRONG with that... Its what everyone does, whether they admit it or not.
 
Just watched the second episode and now laugh at the collective heads exploding, especially some of the ones on here. Betting that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real to some of you people as well.

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surprised this thread not locked, In my mind the wonder of it all was placed for us to discover and explore. other wise no point being a curious sentient being. :)
 
They make a lot of assumptions on this show. We have found something like 1% of the fossil records. Were are they finding all this other info? They just present all this cool imagery but not much physical evidence. This is why I like America unearthed because Forensic geology is legit. but all I see is a bunch of take our word it.
 
what assumptions, I am game to take them on. just no hate no anger.
 
How about talking about protozoa and bacteria they they claim existed but show 0 proof. It's all well and good to spout evolution. But the fact of the matter is the conditions necessary to form a fossil are extremely rare. Add to that some of the organisms mentioned don't have any bones to preserve. On top of that they would lead you to believe they know what was swimming around In the primordial oceans. Were is the evidence. This show might as well be Prometheus. Great special effects, graphics and slightly entertaining.
 
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