Creating natural, functional cichlid display tanks

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Of course they are. What else would they be?
Your not really telling us anything other than you don't like the leaf litter look and to you,fish tanks are prettier than nature.

I can handle constructive criticism, but I don't know if it's just me but I don't get what your trying to achieve by telling us this.
Some natural habitats have silt and algea,I get it but so what?


Honestly bro this is starting to remind me of that movie the body guard....watch ya back !!!

So basically in order to correctly scape a tank the water needs to be cloudy and the tank needs to look like crap ?

Hey im planning on doing a hudson river tank i just ordered my spare tires, dirty plastic bags, and rusty old shopping cart parts. Think it will look natural enough.
 
I believe a biotope is simply a partial representation of a biotope using decor, plants and livestock that are found in this water body or are closely associated with those that live there.

It's an unrealistic representation because nature doesn't have power filters. If we wanted the true-to-nature experience we'd have:
  • Few fish
  • One or maybe two plant species due to habitat domination
  • Fully fledged food web
  • Unorganised decor
  • Rapid seasonal chemistry changes
These are just a few things I had on my mind. The biotopes we choose aren't a true representation of nature. Few, if any, tanks represent nature well. These are our attempts at taking the biology and environment of a water body and morphing it into something beautiful. Keeping clean water and good, consistent feeding for our livestock. Denser and healthier plants, aesthetically pleasing decor, water stability and cherry-picked elements to make something attractive with the inspiration of a certain area.

But at the end of the day, biotope or not, with this sort of effort we create pleasant and beautiful tanks for our aquatic pets. And that's what matters. Not the environmental correctness or perfection. Making a proper habitat for our fish is admirable, and while we may disagree there are many ways to skin the cat :)

And remember, when you paint you don't try and throw all the colours on the canvas! You pick the ones that fit it and will give a pleasant look and fee. Something that works. Those are just my thoughts on the matter.

Hendre out :)
my my look at you !! Well said dude
 
I don’t understand why this post has people arguing...Stanzzzz7 just shared knowledge and how too’s, no one said anyone had to follow them. They are not hard rules, just pointers if you like Stanzzzz7 tanks this will help you accomplish that look.

Either take something away from the post or don’t...simple.

And btw I really like the look of these tanks, algae included! Personally I like the look of algae as long as it’s not harmful.

Stanzzzz7, thanks for sharing!
No problem and thank you babyblue.
 
Beauty is a subjective experience-- in other words, to each his/her own.
What we create in an enclosed glass box is not "nature" --- it is an aesthetic representation, despite how closely we may attempt to replicate the original.
What is to one person a true representation of nature is to another a scene that detracts from the whole experience... ( tinted water, algae, or "fill in the blank").
That said, a majority of readers of this thread are inspired ( myself included) by the examples and tips that Stanzzz has included in this thread to come as close as we can to the various "elements" that may be found in a given aquatic/geographical space of the world.
It is not wrong for someone to find another's representation unappealing and make a comment as such. We are adults here.
However, when you do state your like/dislike, realize that you cannot claim that your view of nature is more realistic than others. It is all representation.
Personally, Stanzzz thread is inspirational--- it is my kind of beauty.
Thanks Lilyann.
We are never going to get a fish tank exactly the same as the wild habitats .
We just try to make them similar and attractive . That's all a biotope really is.
 
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Honestly bro this is starting to remind me of that movie the body guard....watch ya back

Jaws,
I have never seen that movie so I'm not sure what you mean mate.
Never been a Whitney Houston fan.

Hey I'm curious though mate.
 
No, not the whole Amazon, just near settlement areas touched by civilization.

If you want biostope correct scape, in addition to reviewing Stanzzzz other thread that has collection of many natural habitat videos, you can visit public aquariums with freshwater display to get inspiration.
I visited many public aquariums in US and the one with extensive freshwater exhibits is the Chicago Shedd Aquarium. Most public aquariums I visited are true to biostope and fish population replication, but not true to water clarity, detritus and algae accumulation.

Check out post #35 from Stanzzz thread on diverse habitats in the Venezuela Orinoco system.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/natural-habitats-of-cichlids.670096/page-4

The fish are very interesting to me, but the habitats look dirty, water unclear, detritus and brown algae everywhere. If it were in someone's tank, I will recommend a large WC, bottom vacuuming and dose Excel to get rid of the algae.

Another video in Post #24 show beautiful habitats of the same system from Ivan Mikowi. But Ivan acknowledged that he had hard time finding the 0.5% of the habitats with clear water to video, as the rest are too murky or tannin stained.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/natural-habitats-of-cichlids.670096/page-3

Nothing wrong to pursue biotope tanks, but bear in mind that they are merely enhanced reality of American freshwaters.

I get you want to have an in depth convo but your coming off as knit picking and and confusing your own thoughts for the sake of having a discussion.

Tbh op mentions creating a natural looking environment that pleases the eye (which they clearly do) and the fish. Water clarity is a given 99.9999% of us scratched our heads on that one.

To me a biotope and a natural looking aquascape do not have to be the same thing. Lets a appreciate a well written and well intended thread. You clearly know your stuff why not create your own thread on your thoughts on how to set up a biotope




Jaws,
I have never seen that movie so I'm not sure what you mean mate.
Never been a Whitney Houston fan.

Hey I'm curious though mate.

Whitneys stalker becomes obsessed with her :eek:
 
I get you want to have an in depth convo but your coming off as knit picking and and confusing your own thoughts for the sake of having a discussion.

Tbh op mentions creating a natural looking environment that pleases the eye (which they clearly do) and the fish. Water clarity is a given 99.9999% of us scratched our heads on that one.

To me a biotope and a natural looking aquascape do not have to be the same thing. Lets a appreciate a well written and well intended thread. You clearly know your stuff why not create your own thread on your thoughts on how to set up a biotope
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Exactly !
 
I get you want to have an in depth convo but your coming off as knit picking and and confusing your own thoughts for the sake of having a discussion.

To me a biotope and a natural looking aquascape do not have to be the same thing. Lets a appreciate a well written and well intended thread. You clearly know your stuff why not create your own thread on your thoughts on how to set up a biotope

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I am not sure why a few of you perceived my posts as critical or picky of the OP ideas. Quite the contrary, I agree with every one of his ideas, and have incorporated many in my planted cichlid tank. The OP ideas are common design ideas for aquascaping, nature aquarium, Japanese garden or any nature scaping: Keep things simple, avoid too many varieties, keep things in scale, avoid symmetry, group items in 3 or some odd number, utilize vertical dimension (3D),.... etc.

I have zero criticism of the OP ideas, and read both OP threads with interest. I just pointed out facts of my observation, which are not obvious to many and a surprise to me after watching many natural habitat videos.

Most cichlid keepers are fish first, scape second, third or none. Many cichlid keepers have ugly scapes and will be happy with just a few ugly flower pots laying around. It doesn't have to be that way. The OP is inspiring cichlid keepers to change the approach, as I tried to establish my planted cichlid tank after keeping cichlids for 30+ years.

Yes, I have a thread on my journey to establish a planted cichlid tank in another plant forum. I am thinking of starting one in MEK soon. Feel free to comment on my journal as I welcome criticism than polite praise.

https://barrreport.com/threads/cichlid-planted-tank.15427/#post-151757
 
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