CREATING THE ULTIMATE FILTRATION AND EVOLVING WITH YOUR FISH!!!!!!

[jcardona1]

That's the reason why my system doesn't have any pre-filter, yet. Gotta wait for the ultimate one, or just backwash my filter weekly lol

Yeah. I've noticed a trend here lately when we talk about mechanical filtration. We say some methods suck or aren't efficient because they clog. But isn't that the whole point of mechanical filtration? To pull debris out of the water? So of course it will clog. That means it's working I guess it comes down to two things: 1) how clear do you want the water; and 2) how often are you willing to maintain the mechanical filter.

Maintaining and cleaning the mechanical filter is something that we simply can't get away from. There's ways to make it easier, but it's just part of the game

 

[HULON]

Yeah. I've noticed a trend here lately when we talk about mechanical filtration. We say some methods suck or aren't efficient because they clog. But isn't that the whole point of mechanical filtration? To pull debris out of the water? So of course it will clog. That means it's working I guess it comes down to two things: 1) how clear do you want the water; and 2) how often are you willing to maintain the mechanical filter.

Maintaining and cleaning the mechanical filter is something that we simply can't get away from. There's ways to make it easier, but it's just part of the game

Bingo!!!!!!

 

[jlnguyen74]

I disagree fully, but hey I am just running 4500gph and 4 filter socks, 650ish gallons total. They are easy to change and far cheaper than just about many other filter type. Yes you have to replace them and clean them at different points, but like any filter you have to clean it. Just like someone cleans a bead or glass, or sand filter weekly or a canister, I clean my filter socks weekly, and if you dont notice them getting full on a tank then your not making sure everything is running well on your tank and maintaining it properly. Hence the dead fish. Not the filter socks fault. That is the fish keepers fault 100% not maintaining his system.

The point you miss is a filter doesn't have or run with only filter socks. If you add up all the component/media, like some already did in previous thread, the cost on any filter came out about the same. Every filter needs to be clean and wash at certain time. Some needs to be taken apart and wash with garden hose, or washing machine, while some you can just turn the handle and flush with old tank water during water change. Also, some filter maybe too bulky or tall to fit under the stand, thus, does not suit for somebody use. Point out the flaw so we can learn from it. It does not mean my-filter-is-better-than-your-filter bashing.

 

[jlnguyen74]

Yeah. I've noticed a trend here lately when we talk about mechanical filtration. We say some methods suck or aren't efficient because they clog. But isn't that the whole point of mechanical filtration? To pull debris out of the water? So of course it will clog. That means it's working I guess it comes down to two things: 1) how clear do you want the water; and 2) how often are you willing to maintain the mechanical filter.

Maintaining and cleaning the mechanical filter is something that we simply can't get away from. There's ways to make it easier, but it's just part of the game

Yup! Those are the fun and duty of every fish keepers lol. That's why I love thread like this one, everyone share our opinion/idea

 

[kendragon]

Here's my mechanical and biological all in one.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?486149-Filter-backwash

 

[David R]

I guess it comes down to two things: 1) how clear do you want the water; and 2) how often are you willing to maintain the mechanical filter.

That is the crux of the issue for me too. The only thing I didn't like about my old set up on my 1400L is that with only two 100 micron socks that were about half submerged they needed cleaning every three days!!

The middle compartment under the white drip tray had about 25kg of submerged noodles and ~40L of bioballs above the water level. It worked really well apart from the socks clogging too fast, and the corner seam splitting because the tank maker only used 6mm glass (I gave him the plan and told him to use what ever thickness glass he thought it needed and brace it as required). The only reason I'm not making something like this again is because it will be too high for the drains on my new tank if the socks are lifted right out of the water.

Here's my mechanical and biological all in one.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?486149-Filter-backwash

Thats a great looking unit, so simple and obviously doing a great job of keeping your tank clean (mechanically and biologically). Seems like such a simple and elegant solution, who makes it?? Is it similar to an Ultima type thing? I haven't seen much mention of them yet, anyone running one?

 

[DB junkie]

Actually, five 1.5in drains should run close to 9k, if not more than that. If you look at the CPR CS150 overflow box with a single 1.5in bulkhead, with all those turn an slots in the overflow box, it still gives 1600gph

Just going off the old and apparently outdated sticky in the DIY section.

Funny, I tried 2 1.5" drains in my pup tank and they failed to keep up with a Dart. Had to make one of them 2". Wonder why that was? Had plenty of head on the pump?

Maybe overflow boxes work different then gravity drains?

Guess what works for some fails for others. Story of fishkeeping, however it kind of hard to ignore what's right in front of you, seen with your own eyes.

 

[DB junkie]

If you add up all the component/media, like some already did in previous thread, the cost on any filter came out about the same.

Not sure how a hillbilly filter like mine adds up to state of the art filtration like Hulons......

I think I got ripped off. But then again beings I can't add up water flow stuff maybe I should work on my math, as it's obviously wrong.

 

[DIDYSIS]

I know that your opinion is yours. You were just talking down a great filtering media which could miss lead many many people. I was showing a proven system with large flow doing a great job is possible and very good on any system. Most important as you said though you need to build your system to your needs. I just don't agree trash talking a filter sock when many many people use them and even here the op uses them himself. Cost wise a large bead filter or glass filter for $500-1000+ makes my sump at 80.00 then holes drilled 80.00 plus 8 socks at 40.00 then other media more or less 80.00 look really cheap. If anything options options people we all have so many it's like buying gum from the store. Pick your flavor.

The point you miss is a filter doesn't have or run with only filter socks. If you add up all the component/media, like some already did in previous thread, the cost on any filter came out about the same. Every filter needs to be clean and wash at certain time. Some needs to be taken apart and wash with garden hose, or washing machine, while some you can just turn the handle and flush with old tank water during water change. Also, some filter maybe too bulky or tall to fit under the stand, thus, does not suit for somebody use. Point out the flaw so we can learn from it. It does not mean my-filter-is-better-than-your-filter bashing.

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[HULON]

Not sure how a hillbilly filter like mine adds up to state of the art filtration like Hulons......

I think I got ripped off. But then again beings I can't add up water flow stuff maybe I should work on my math, as it's obviously wrong.

DB it Really is reasonable when you shop around and like i say my system started with one pump and was added on over a period of 3 years !!!!

1-pump $339
2-pump $359
3-pump $359
Glass filter$500
UV $415

total $1972
divided by 3 years added as my fish grew $657 per year is what i spent adding on slowly not unreasonable at all for quality equipment!!!!!