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There is a guy here in Australia that has crossed a leo with a moto... they are interesting pups
mshuangchao;3339238; said:
Aside from the vague example quoted, it does take a genius to figure out what the quota is for. If poaching rays for hobbyist does not affect the wild population, there would be no need for a quota.
As for hobbyist protecting collection areas, it's simply self serving and barely helpful in a problem which they started themselves... a poor attempt at stopping he mess they started in the first place.
Hystrix;3339838; said:
Do you know how long it takes, how much space, time it requires, how low the yield and what it cost to breed rays? Wild caught rays will be cheaper.
The preference for pure rays from a certain source only adds to the problem, not elevate it.
Wouldn't the problem totally go away if people went for only captive breed SPs which cannot be found in the wild?
Want to save a certain species of pure ray from the wild. Insist on a captive bred SP. The unethical sellers who con people into buying SP rays as pure probably saved a bunch of wild pure bred rays in the process.
As I said, breeders can keep pure males with a mixture of pure and cross bred females ensures that they know the exact lineage. It's unfair to blame SP Rays for a human failing, fueled by purity demanding hobbyist like yourself.
I like and keep both pure and mixed ray. I believe there is room for both to coexist without threatening any bloodlines.
In the end it's a business. If the Taiwanese and Japs were not paying top dollar for SPs, no one would breed them.
transporter;3342029; said:
Usually F1 SP pups are not much to look at, but mix them again a few times over with PDR, you may get the best of both worlds. But I prefer not to use motoros as their genes are pretty dominant.
I already have leo pearl x leo- F2. By the 4th generation I hope to get a black and white ray with pearl markings plus spots.
lincolngoh;3342078; said:
I have never placed any "blame" on SP rays. There is no ray that I dislike.
To each his own. I do feel that more effort needs to be put into captive breeding projects that specialize in pure breed rays.
Forget the politics behind crossing rays.
It is not just "business" when living creatures are involved.
Though it is not done as much as it should be, the best interest of the animals should be put first.
Captive breeding, if done on a larger scale would reduce the need to take rays out of the wild. Most ray keepers have more than one ray.
So if they were to promote captive breeding of different types of rays then
hopefully, one day there will be no demand for wild caught animals.
Yeah I know, this does sound like a crazy dream but it can be a reality.
Many rays suffer and die being shipped from the wild.
Now is the time to start taking to necessary steps to ending that.
If people in Asia were to stop breeding SP rays there would be plenty of people who would still be breeding them.
Some of the most beautiful rays that I have seen are from Europe and most of which are pure.
Am I saying "STOP BREEDING SP RAYS!!!", no.
There are beautiful SP rays out there.
I just feel the same effort should be put into breeding pure rays
To what extent? At what rate are they decreasing by? How much decrease in ray population is under the direct influence of the ornamental trade? What you claim will remain as only an opinion until statistics are given.lincolngoh;3342078; said:
Proud Asian breeder with a clean record!Hystrix;3342126; said:
Quotas are in place because the Brazilians want to know what they have got. Too little is known about the various rays, how many there are, breeding patterns in the wild , their role in the eco-system etc.
To be able to maintain and exploit a resource you have to know what there is. The Amazon is big but not infinite.
Ray breeding is more popular than ever and I predict that the prices for some of the more fancy ones will come down soon.
Leos are already down to $500 for a tank bred pup in Japan I am told.
The bubble will soon burst.
To be able to maintain and exploit a resource you have to know what there is. The Amazon is big but not infinite.
Ray breeding is more popular than ever and I predict that the prices for some of the more fancy ones will come down soon.
Leos are already down to $500 for a tank bred pup in Japan I am told.
The bubble will soon burst.
